04-19-2013, 03:39 PM
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I think east memphis guy was talking about Millington, Olive Branch, Cordova, Lakeland, etc. I think Germantown and East Mem are the best options for Whole Foods. Not totally sold on Collierville, but I'm also not that familiar with that city. I'd like to see income numbers.
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I'd like to see income numbers.
Income isn't the only factor obviously, but it is an important part. Out of curiousity, I did a little research on this. I am sorry for the long winded post. I apologize if the numbers I found are incorrect. I'm going off of what I can see for free from Citydata.com.
If you you look at the map of each town and sort by income, you can see details for each census tract. One of the income hot spots in the county seems to be the 'superzip' in western Collierville and eastern Germantown around Houston Levee, Johnson, and Forest Hill road between Poplar Pike and Wolf River road with a median AGI of around $152,777...making it one of the highest earning zip codes in the entire state and one of the highest in the metro, and one of the nation's "super zips" as defined by Charles Murray in his book "Coming Apart". This zip code has a retail center near Forest Hill with a space vacated by a Shnucks a couple of years ago. The Fresh Market has a location nearby on Johnson/Poplar, which adds a competitive dynamic that could keep a potential grocer away. There is another large retail center at Poplar/Houston Levee with a Kroger as an anchor - so it is a competitive market but far from "locked up".
City wide, here is the list for median household income:
Germantown: $110,534 (pop 38,844)
Collierville: $99,160 (pop 43,965 - before the 2012 annexation)
Arlington: $82,272 (pop 11,500)
Lakeland: $71,949 (pop 12,430)
Bartlett: $70,745 (pop 54,613)
Cordova: ? (?)
Memphis is too large for city-wide data, but the the 38120 area (average AGI of $168,292) in Eastern Memphis is way up there. This is the area near Poplar/240 and Walnut Grove/240. I couldn't find info on the Cordova community since it's partially in Memphis and partially unincorporated and I'm not familar with the zip codes out there. I imagine it's similar to Bartlett and Lakeland.
IMO, anywhere around Poplar/240 is the retail "sweet spot". Unfortunately as far as Whole Foods is concerned, commercial space in that area is more expensive than in the rest of the county and it's already well served by the expanding Whole Foods on Poplar. The mid town census tracts are smaller (outside of Chickasaw and Central Gardens) are averaging under $70,000, and most are much lower. I consider neighborhoods west of Highland, north of Southern, and south summer and Jackson of to be mid town. There's also more competitive pressure in mid town than in the suburbs currently.
As far as Collierville/Germantown/East Memphis....they compare well with Sandy Springs, GA ($73,290) and Roswell, GA ($80,394). Sandy Springs has about 94,000 residents and Roswell has around 90,000 residents....so I'm not sure how that compares to Collierville, Germantown, Eastern Memphis, Cordova, and Olive branch combined.
Roswell, GA has a Trader Joes and neighborhing Sandy Springs has a Whole Foods. Like Germantown does to Memphis, Sandy Springs borders one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Atlanta.
It's tough to draw comparisions to those larger suburbs outside Atlanta without including Cordova in the mix, and I'm not sure how to find that info. By zip codes that I know of (38018, 38016) we can get an idea, but those are very broad areas and I'm not familiar with them.
AGI 38018 $66,836
AGI 38016 $58,078
Together that is around 45,000 people according to citydata.com
I'd say that both the Collierville/Germantown area and the east memphis/mid town area can each make the argument for their own Trader Joes easily.....but an additional Whole Foods may require a bigger draw of around 100,000+ people (not counting those in close proximity of the existing Whole Foods in eastern Memphis). That's probably 10 years away unless Fayette County and Marshal County see some significant suburban growth in the very near future beyond the estate homes popping up out there.
On the other hand, a Whole Foods store location in Cordova on Germantown Parkway or in Collierville near 385 would probably reach most of the eastern suburbs and growing Fayette county once the freeway link is completed this year. Olive Branch is only about 15 to 20 minutes away from G'town Collierville....and that will be a shorter driven when Houston Levee is extended into Desoto county.
Like I said, a Whole Foods would have to be placed perfectly to serve Collierville, Germantown, Cordova, Olive Branch, and the rest of the eastern suburbs. That's not an easy task, but not impossible either. It's also likely that in 10 to 20 years, just the communities of Collierville/Germantown and perhaps even Piperton will be large enough to collectively support a new location along 385. By then, Lakeland, eastnern Bartlet, and Arlington may have grown enough to justify a 3rd location in that direction.
Kroger isn't doing itself any favors by creating a monopoly. People are really upset with them right now. I wouldn't be shocked if Publix moves into the area within the next few years and Whole Foods expands. My local Kroger doesn't even seem to be trying anymore.
There was a map in the Memphis business journal of the chain grocery stores from a few years ago. For the life of me, I can't find it. It would really be helpful in this discussion.
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05-28-2013, 10:57 AM
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Great stuff!
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Whole Foods will finally build a new store in southest Shelby County. Exeter at Poplar in Germantown is where they are planning a new location, but this could change. I'm excited that they are planning it. It will be nice to have more competition in the eastern suburbs.
Upscale grocer Whole Foods plans Germantown store » The Commercial Appeal
Cypress Realty Holdings Co. on Wednesday released a statement saying said the retailer is submitting plans to Germantown city officials for approval of a freestanding 41,000-square-foot store on the southeast corner of Poplar Avenue and Pete Mitchell Road near the Germantown Collection Shopping Center.
Whole Foods, an upscale grocer based in Texas, also operates an East Memphis store.
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I'd prefer another Fresh Market. Whole Foods has a stick up their ass.
10-23-2013, 04:49 PM
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I'm sure it will be a great fit for Germantown. I don't even know where Exeter is. Guess I will have to stick with Union Avenue and Poplar Plaza Krogers and the Madison Cost Saver.
10-23-2013, 06:06 PM
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I'm sure it will be a great fit for Germantown. I don't even know where Exeter is. Guess I will have to stick with Union Avenue and Poplar Plaza Krogers and the Madison Cost Saver.
You are in mid town right?
I honestly think it's just a matter of one of the high quality or organic chains finding an appropriate site. Fresh Markets have smaller footprints, and I think they'd be a natural for Union/McLean area or Highland/Union. It would probably take a developer refurbishing a building or shopping center to open up space.
The new Kroger looks nice at least. I think that illustrates how challenging it is to open a mid town store.
10-23-2013, 07:51 PM
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I'd prefer another Fresh Market. Whole Foods has a stick up their ass.
What Fresh Market do you shop at? The one in Germantown is horrible, the 'bakery' items full of preservatives, and the produce is often spoiled. Let me know if there is a better run one!
As far as Fresh Market, I get what you're saying,they are expensive, but they have great store brands!
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I worked for Fresh Market for a while during my undergraduate. When the 'upper level' management opened the store, it looked amazing. After that... meh.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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