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As of about 8 weeks ago, three of my former patients were dead of covid and the other nurse at my facility spiked a fever for a couple weeks when she got it from one of those now dead patients. Because of hippa, I don’t know how many more have been sick or died, I quit that job due to a masking policy change that further endangered the patients and staff at that facility. I’d be very surprised if more haven’t gotten sick or passed away since then, but not my circus, not my monkeys.
At that facility, neither the patients nor the staff had the ability to “self isolate” - the staff were essential, and the patients need their dialysis every other day or they’ll die from uremia or fluid overload. The patients and staff there are depending on the rest of the population being careful about spreading the virus - they all need to buy food and gas and cat litter, just like you do, only they’re stuck in a dialysis center (closer than 6 feet apart) for 9-12+ hours per week as patients, or 40-60+ hours per week for staff.
The close confines of the dialysis center, combined with the patient’s weakened immune systems means that if any one of those 60-ish patients gets it, everyone who passes through the building is at severe risk. Further, you can’t exclude dialysis patients with a cough, as 3+ liters of extra water in your blood naturally causes a cough. So the patients and staff get to listen to each other cough and wonder who just has too much fluid on, and who has the virus.
Every city of any size in Michigan has at least one dialysis center - bigger cities might have half-a-dozen & many of those larger cities have larger centers that might serve over a hundred patients each. The staff and the patients that go to those facilities also go to the same stores and businesses that everyone else does. A nurse or a tech who got covid could easily infect most of those patients, and dialysis patients who get covid don’t have a very good prognosis.
But hey, masks are for lefty, pinko-commies, amirite?
That the media is not reporting rises in deaths at all right now is proof that cases are soaring but deaths are not. Should deaths begin to soar, it will lead on CNN, above the fold on the New York Time, and in every other venue. Dr. Fauci will come out of hiding.
Until then, soaring case without soaring deaths are a good thing for attaining herd immunty
What you hear now is nothing but fear-mongering. I can't quite figure out the angle, but it seems that the media and those in power (elected politicians as well as appointed bureaucrats, as well as those who own both of the above) want everyone afraid and to stay inside, including young people (especially naive, gullible leftists) even though young people are incredibly unlikely to die from this virus let alone even get sick.
And as for the "but it's YOUR responsibility to look out for everyone else's health".....no, actually it isn't. If you want to wear a mask wear a mask. If you want to stay at home, stay at home. Your lifestyle and choices are not at all my responsibility. A lot of people are probably just watching television wasting their lives away in typical Boomer fashion and not going out anyway.....except to get more McArteryCloggers.
Not all elderly people are dying either, it seems like obesity and lifelong smoking habits are more likely to be a factor in deaths than age alone. The virus alone isn't killing people, it's the co-morbitities, and people under 40 are MUCH less likely to smoke than were people in prior generations, and we don't chow down as many McCrap burgers either. But whatever, I'm meeting my two buds for a run today at 1600, so I'm off to get ready, arrive a little early and stretch.
What you hear now is nothing but fear-mongering. I can't quite figure out the angle, but it seems that the media and those in power (elected politicians as well as appointed bureaucrats, as well as those who own both of the above) want everyone afraid and to stay inside, including young people (especially naive, gullible leftists) even though young people are incredibly unlikely to die from this virus let alone even get sick...
Yeah. All the media and governments and medical professionals of the hundreds of countries around the globe reporting covid-19 data are cooperatively in on it together. Nothing to see here folks ... just hundreds of thousands if not millions of political, government, media, and medical professionals all communicating behind the scenes in conspiratorial secrecy.
No one wants anyone to "be afraid" or "stay inside."
What EVERYONE should want is that no hospital - anywhere - comes close to being full. Close = 80%.
You can see that the number of dead people plays no role in that sentence.
It is - indeed - YOUR responsibility to look after other peoples' health - if you're a responsible adult. If you're selfish child, then by all means, please carry on. You'd probably spread TB if you knew you had it. That's what kind of person you are, and everyone who knows you - knows it.
The reality is that there have been very few instances of hospitals and ICU's filling up. The initial concerns, while understandable, turned out to have been overblown. As the director the of the Houston hospital noted, ICU's normally run at near capacity because they are very expensive (they were running at 95% capacity at this time last year), and they have the capacity to expand them if necessary. The current wave of infections seem to be mostly affecting the 18 to 40 year-old cohort (presumably because most of them come from exposure in bars) where those infected are usually either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that don't require hospitalization. That doesn't mean the issue should be ignored and we shouldn't do anything, it's just less disturbing than when we were seeing many hospitalizations and deaths. If there's a silver-lining, it could result in real herd immunity as it seems quite a few people already have T cells from similar corona infections which provide some immunity to Covid-19. Hopefully, a vaccine will be discovered soon, but if it isn't, herd immunity may unfortunately be the ultimate outcome.
The reality is that there have been very few instances of hospitals and ICU's filling up. The initial concerns, while understandable, turned out to have been overblown. As the director the of the Houston hospital noted, ICU's normally run at near capacity because they are very expensive (they were running at 95% capacity at this time last year), and they have the capacity to expand them if necessary. The current wave of infections seem to be mostly affecting the 18 to 40 year-old cohort (presumably because most of them come from exposure in bars) where those infected are usually either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that don't require hospitalization. That doesn't mean the issue should be ignored and we shouldn't do anything, it's just less disturbing than when we were seeing many hospitalizations and deaths. If there's a silver-lining, it could result in real herd immunity as it seems quite a few people already have T cells from similar corona infections which provide some immunity to Covid-19. Hopefully, a vaccine will be discovered soon, but if it isn't, herd immunity may unfortunately be the ultimate outcome.
The reality is that: pretty much every comment and assessment on the crisis made on the internet, is made by anonymous, amateur, unqualified, armchair speculators suffering from wicked cases of bias-confirmation-itis.
For example: the reason for the fact that There were only a few instances of hospitals and ICU's “filled up” ... is unknown. Because actions (such as social distancing, shutdowns, mask-wearing, etc.) were taken to mitigate the possibility of being overwhelmed.
The reality is that there have been very few instances of hospitals and ICU's filling up. The initial concerns, while understandable, turned out to have been overblown. As the director the of the Houston hospital noted, ICU's normally run at near capacity because they are very expensive (they were running at 95% capacity at this time last year), and they have the capacity to expand them if necessary. The current wave of infections seem to be mostly affecting the 18 to 40 year-old cohort (presumably because most of them come from exposure in bars) where those infected are usually either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that don't require hospitalization. That doesn't mean the issue should be ignored and we shouldn't do anything, it's just less disturbing than when we were seeing many hospitalizations and deaths. If there's a silver-lining, it could result in real herd immunity as it seems quite a few people already have T cells from similar corona infections which provide some immunity to Covid-19. Hopefully, a vaccine will be discovered soon, but if it isn't, herd immunity may unfortunately be the ultimate outcome.
Outbreaks in any age group pose terrible risks for those with compromised health. If you say “no big deal, these are 18-40 year olds”, if even one of those 18-40 year olds passes it to your gramma in a nursing home, the party is on. The death rate for covid in nursing homes is currently 30%, and it spreads like wildfire. Who do you think staffs nursing homes? 37 people died in the first lifecare outbreak, at just one nursing home.
Herd immunity is fake news, brother. Not happening until the infection rate goes parabolic, at which time you can expect the death toll to be at least 10 times what we’ve already experienced, and that’s a low number. Getting to herd immunity would involve the complete devastation of the economy, and make the past few months look like a cakewalk.
Pretty much everyone over 50 has at least one comorbidity & that’s the people with money in this country. They’re the ones making the most, and they’re the ones spending the most. If even ten percent of them decide to hide at home and stop working and spending “until things get better”, things aren’t going to get better. And they will hide when the death rate starts climbing, which is inevitable in any “herd immunity” scenario.
I agree with the principle you are mocking. Open up, take our hit and get it over with. The more people under 60 who get Covid 19 and recover from it, the faster we will achieve herd immunity.
Bars are instrumental in getting that done right now.
If you are over 70, you should maintain 6-feet distance from otheres and wash your hands often, especially if you have co-morbidities. For people under 60, live your life and take your 3-weeks of illness, recover, become immune, and get on with your life. You will be helping all of the rest of us, thank you.
The USA has24% of the DEATHS (not cases) in the world as of today. Too many misinformed people seem to think/behave like you do, and it is killing people, and not just seniors.
And like the idiot that he is, our "leader" told Dr. Fauci not to attend today's Coronavirus briefing.
Maybe the reason that we have 24% of the REPORTED deaths is that we are, or at least used to be, an open democracy. I also believe we've tested more and unfortunately, we've perverted most of our data by counting deaths with Covid-19 as caused by Covid-19. Even so, the numbers don't look too far off from where they should be:
446M - EU - 195K
328M - USA- 134K
We test and report the data that we have and don't cover up the actual numbers like China and the other totalitarian societies of the world do. It's also harder to contain the virus in an open society since we can't just kill the infected, lock them in their houses to die, or blockade an entire city and kill anybody that tries to leave. If this were a truly horrific disease that escaped a germ warfare lab though, that's exactly what should be done. If there's a localized outbreak of something that would be considered civilization ending then you immediately nuke the entire area. I have more faith in a totalitarian regime doing this than I do any western nation. A country like the USA might eventually come to the right decision but it'll always be too late.
The bottom line though is that this virus, although very contagious, is not much more deadly than the flu for most of society. The elderly and those with serious underlying medical conditions are the exception. Since it is so contagious, the lockdowns that we did were totally ineffective except at delaying the inevitable, or otherwise known as "flattening the curve". We in theory have had the time to prepare ourselves and the hospitals for a complete re-opening of the country. The problem now is that the media, and the people that got drunk on the power they accumulated with the suspension of the bill of rights like Michigan's governor, don't want this crisis to end.
The goal of flattening the curve was changed to completely stopping the spread which is impossible. The virus is essentially everywhere at this point. As stated earlier, democracies eventually come to the right decisions on things like a pandemic but way too late to be effective. The time for contact tracing and testing essentially ended back in January. The only testing that needs to be done now is on the healthcare workers and for people in contact with the most vulnerable, and of course patients themselves to confirm infection. The time to reopen everything was probably May. Every day after that essentially just worsens the economic crisis and causes more deaths than it prevents. If states couldn't get their act together by that time, they were never going to.
The world should be blaming China for the death count. The virus escaped from their lab, they knew its properties, they didn't inform the world (actually they lied to the world), and rather than trying to contain the virus to their country -- they intentionally released it upon the world so that it wouldn't just affect their economy. If this wasn't their intent, they would have stopped international flights the same time they stopped domestic flights out of Wuhan.
With respect to our experts, they lied to us or were wrong every step of the way.
Fauci - 1/2020: Covid-19 is nothing that we have to worry about. It's not a major threat.
Fauci - 2/2020: Covid-19 is nothing worse than a bad flu.
Fauci - 2/29/2020 - You don't need to change anything that you're doing.
Fauci: 3/8/2020 - Masks aren't going to be necessary.
Fauci: 3/8/2020 - Masks are actually harmful -- don't wear them.
Fauci: 3/8/2020 - N95 masks are only for hospital workers -- don't use them. Please donate them to your frontline workers.
Fauci: 3/x/2020 - Masks for the general populace aren't going to stop this virus but may convey a sense of security.
Fauci: 4/3/2020 - Everybody needs to wear a mask -- N95 masks for the important people since they work. Home-made for everybody else since they are ineffective but you'll wear them because we say to wear them!
Fauci: 3/2020 - Death count in USA for Covid-19 predicted at 1M-2.2M
Fauci: 4/2020 - Death count in USA for Covid-19 predicted at 100,000 to 200,000
Fauci: 4/5/2020 - Death count in USA for Covid-19 predicted at 81,766 by 8/4.
Fauci: 4/8/2020 - Death count in USA for Covid-19 predicted at 60,415 by 8/4.
Trump can't fire Fauci but he could send him back to his hole and and never consult with him ever again. That would be my advise for him. It's hard to blame Trump for going along with the lockdown when he was told 2M people in this country were going to die if he didn't. If the number were known to be 200,000 -- we shouldn't have done it at all. States like South Dakota and countries like Sweden opted not to without any worse results than we had with a lockdown. Every dictator that wants to continue this is trying to assure their populace that if it weren't for them trampling on their civil rights, that they would all be dead. Don't believe it.
The goal now should actually be to infect as much of the population as possible that is not at risk so we gain herd immunity and lessen the likelihood of any second wave of it hitting the country. That's how outbreaks were handled in the past when containment fails. That's probably one good thing that BLM did for us besides showing the hypocrisy of how right wing protests spread disease but left wing protests don't according to our leaders and the media. The looting and rioting actually seemed to really explode the spread in the younger population.
The only reason for not opening businesses at this point is to maintain power/control over the populace and to intentionally stop what was an economic boom for political purposes in the upcoming November election. Hopefully this strategy backfires for those so immoral to attempt it.
And for the general populace, get rid of your masks. They are a sign of oppression/obedience the same way that the burka was for women in Islamic countries. If your sick and coughing it makes sense to stop water droplets from getting to other people but it certainly isn't protecting you or preventing infection if your asymptomatic. It's amazing what people can be made to believe in a crisis when common sense and decades of experience tell you the opposite. Apparently this virus is so novel though that it spreads based on political dogma.
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