[Coldjensens]

Originally Posted by Ishten

OK, if I'm being honest, college was easy. Full-time is considered 12-17 credit hours per semester - in other words 12-17 hours a week. Are you kidding me? Now, we call that a long day. Further, the ease of obtaining a degree takes away from its former status. People should work fulltime while attending school and financial aid should be dramatically reduced. I think tuition is artificially inflated by the loans and, if the loans were lowered, the tuition would follow. Lastly, education has an intrinsic value separate from the economic portion. I was guilty of thinking college=higher wages, without appreciating or considering its inherent value.

12-17 hours is only class time. You need to at least triple that for homework, reading, research etc. Then you have to consider the other parts of a college education. Kids learn a lot more than just academics in College. You need at least 10-15 hours a week for drinking (this can be doubled up with homework); another 10-15 hours for playing raquetball; at least 5-10 hours a week for dating; 2-3 hours for ultimate frisbee or skiing (but those hours can double up with drinking); then of course these kids are learning to do laundry, cook their own meals, balance a checkbook, shop, and some of them actually have to work part time. It really does not leave much time at all.

[telepicker97]

I am looking for a good school to get a sac degree from...

I figure that there is a high need for Substance Abuse Counselors in MI...

what would be a good school roughly within an hour or so of Detroit/Clarkston?

[WheredoIlive?]

Originally Posted by MI-IRISH

Does anyone think there is too much emphasis on higher education,getting away from the "work with your hands" scenario a good thing,or will it turn to bite us in the end?
To this i add,i have worked with both,and i have met people with master's degree's who couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time,and i have met the eveyday "joe" that should have been a professor somewhere,what say you?

I am teling young people LEARN A TRADE, and not one they can outsource.

I consider college a racket, that in many cases does not pay off, and where people are not learning useful skills. I have learned things away from college and believe in keeping learning but sometimes I think maybe I should have just kept going to the library and saved my 30,000 bucks.

I am colleged educated, maybe I wouldnt be poor as dirt if I was healthy, but really I did not see college paying off. I felt like I had a vacumn cleaner put in my pocket to suck out all my money.

Teaching kids to LEARN things on their OWN, is the way to do it.

Now consider how back behind the 8 ball student loans put people.

If I had it to do over, I would have chosen to learn for FREE through high school VO-ED center, and forgone college, even though I enjoyed college, I would have had a much more stable life, and not been led into naively majoring in liberal arts and education.

I think to myself why DOES ONE HAVE TO PAY TO LEARN? Especially now with the internet? and groups, where you can have active discussion and mentoring?

People do need MORE PRACTICAL knowledge bases, how to fix things, how to run a computer, how to build an ebay business-that kept me afloat for some time--allowable side income, how the financial system works, etc etc. Kids arent being taught these things by parents and schools. Now at least we can figure stuff out online, but I know I was hopeless before i had the internet to go look up how to do stuff.

I really wish someone could go and take a TEST, and just get a job, based on their real knowledge, instead of having to pay 50,000-100,000 bucks for entry into a profession. I remember reading about how back in the old days, one could become a lawyer by taking the Bar exam, even with NO COLLEGE. Wow!