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Old 02-08-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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Bay City should have known what was going on. After all , when they installed the limiter , they assumed the liability. Thats what will come up at trial, or discovery. ( Knowing all along , that the power will go off by their design )..... its called negligence. When power goes off as a result of nature or unknown malfunction , they have an out.
Yes, and when you do not pay your bill that happens. The negligence was his. How much do you think an old man's life is worth??? Yes, there are charts for this. BTW, just whose loss was it?? Someone who did not care enough to check on him?

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Old 02-08-2009, 06:30 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Yes, and when you do not pay your bill that happens. The negligence was his. How much do you think an old man's life is worth??? Yes, there are charts for this.
No , The old man did not install the limiter. Not paying your bill is not negligence , its ether deliberate , or in protest ( disputed ). Was he told what they were doing ? , Did they determine that he understood what was happening ?....... As to worth of life . I would love to have them bring that up if I was the attorney. By stating they considered his life worth little because of his age , ..well , that establishes motive. They would lose , if it went to a jury.

As a sidebar here , we don't know , could be the old man was committing suicide. Or , he had decided death would be the best protest. Who knows ?
You will be old some day , your thoughts may change , depending on your mental state. Most are put in nursing homes , forgotten , to die. Yes , Doctors also make decisions , for very old people. Its just not public knowledge..... However , we don't know what shape this Guy was in. That should have been up to the medical people , not the Power Company.
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:37 PM
 
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No , The old man did not install the limiter. Not paying your bill is not negligence , its ether deliberate , or in protest ( disputed ). Was he told what they were doing ? , Did they determine that he understood what was happening ?....... As to worth of life . I would love to have them bring that up if I was the attorney. By stating they considered his life worth little because of his age , ..well , that establishes motive. They would lose , if it went to a jury.

As a sidebar here , we don't know , could be the old man was committing suicide. Or , he had decided death would be the best protest. Who knows ?
You will be old some day , your thoughts may change , depending on your mental state. Most are put in nursing homes , forgotten , to die. Yes , Doctors also make decisions , for very old people. Its just not public knowledge..... However , we don't know what shape this Guy was in. That should have been up to the medical people , not the Power Company.
Yes, most old people that age are in a home because they can't make healthy decisions. There are insurance charts to LEGALLY determine worth. Who is your client? You know they would be question.
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Old 02-08-2009, 07:01 PM
 
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Yes, and when you do not pay your bill that happens. The negligence was his. How much do you think an old man's life is worth??? Yes, there are charts for this. BTW, just whose loss was it?? Someone you did not care enough to check on him?
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:17 PM
 
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Yes, most old people that age are in a home because they can't make healthy decisions. There are insurance charts to LEGALLY determine worth. Who is your client? You know they would be question.
You are misinformed. There are no charts determining " worth "..... What I think you are trying to say is " earning power as relates to age ". Has nothing to do with someone 92 or 93. You can not put a value on life. We are talking about , pain , suffering , and compassion. NOTE: Somewhere out there is a distant relative that will come forward. If not this time ,then next , when it happens again. Bay City needs to rethink the use of these limiters.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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You are misinformed. There are no charts determining " worth "..... What I think you are trying to say is " earning power as relates to age ". Has nothing to do with someone 92 or 93. You can not put a value on life. We are talking about , pain , suffering , and compassion. NOTE: Somewhere out there is a distant relative that will come forward. If not this time ,then next , when it happens again. Bay City needs to rethink the use of these limiters.
Bay City has discontinued the limiters. There are life expectancy charts. Insurance companies use then all the time. In fact I believe 77.4 years is the average age of death in a male. When I have time I'll look...
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:50 PM
 
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Bay City has discontinued the limiters. There are life expectancy charts. Insurance companies use then all the time. In fact I believe 77.4 years is the average age of death in a male. When I have time I'll look...
Good. What has an Insurance company got to do with anything ? Don't bother looking it up , different subject.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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Good. What has an Insurance company got to do with anything ? Don't bother looking it up , different subject.
They would be used in a court of law to determine value. I know that sounds cold but, they have to have a base line on what a case is worth. The case would be against the power company's insurance. That is another problem, who would take a case with no or very little value???
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Old 02-08-2009, 09:24 PM
 
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I think the sensationalism of the case would first of all be an appealing case for the attorneys and may fetch a hefty monetary award from a jury.

Sometimes people (juries) react to very outrageous and neglible actions of corporations and governmental agencies.

So you never know.

also, those insurance charts are used to calculate actual damages, but PUNITIVE damages (purpose is to PUNISH a company or individual so that they will not do the action again) can be MUCH MUCH higher, not to mention the pain and suffering that someone goes through... that will actually be considered as well.

It is more than the age of this man, pain and suffering and PUNITIVE damages.
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:02 AM
 
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I think the sensationalism of the case would first of all be an appealing case for the attorneys and may fetch a hefty monetary award from a jury.

Sometimes people (juries) react to very outrageous and neglible actions of corporations and governmental agencies.

So you never know.

also, those insurance charts are used to calculate actual damages, but PUNITIVE damages (purpose is to PUNISH a company or individual so that they will not do the action again) can be MUCH MUCH higher, not to mention the pain and suffering that someone goes through... that will actually be considered as well.

It is more than the age of this man, pain and suffering and PUNITIVE damages.
OK!!! Who gets the money??? You have no client. How was a long lost relative damaged??? They had no contact, remember, the man froze to death.
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