[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by tjay

i wonder with healthcare so big, if we ever 'socialized' healthcare would the demand decrease if people weren't getting rich off american's being unhealthy? is it possible to create business where there were profits from health?

If we go to socialized medicine, you will see fewer people going into the medical profession. Why work that hard if you're not allowed to make more than the next guy? And those left in the field would be worked to death.

You could create a business where there were profits from health but not in a bad economy. Back when times were good, my company paid for health club memberships, personal trainers, dieticians, seminars on health/weight loss, stop smoking programs, etc, etc, etc...and people did make money offering the services. In a bad economy, they save money by cutting people and programs like these.

[mackinac81]

Originally posted by Ivorytickler
Primary education? I don't believe that one. They're laying off teachers and those of us lucky enough to find jobs are finding them in charter and private schools. Definitely not a growing field. More like a glutted one.

Well, not in Michigan anyway. I'm starting my job search around the country and seeing quite a few openings right now. I think it'lll be more competitive though.

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by mackinac81

Well, not in Michigan anyway. I'm starting my job search around the country and seeing quite a few openings right now. I think it'lll be more competitive though.

Good luck.

I agree, not in Michigan. Part of the problem is teachers are overpaid here so salaries takes up a bigger part of the budget with fewer teachers so fewer teachers is what we have. If we were more in line with other states, maybe we'd be hiring teachers too.

I'm hoping the initiative to get some of the highest paid teachers to retire works and creates openings for new teachers. I don't expect to ever make the wages the higest paid teachers do now but I'd be happy at the state average today.

[mackinac81]

Originally posted by Ivorytickler
I'm hoping the initiative to get some of the highest paid teachers to retire works and creates openings for new teachers. I don't expect to ever make the wages the higest paid teachers do now but I'd be happy at the state average today.

I'm with ya there. I was talking to my 8th grade english teacher the other day, and she told me that if the initiative goes through she'll retire this year. I'm English certified, and her principal really likes me, so it's always a possibility. But two years out of college, and going back to school during that time, I'm not banking on anything here. I'm still young and unattached, so I can afford to leave.

I'll tell you what though. living though Michigan's recession has made me content and thankful for what I can get. I don't care about making 60k when I'm sixty, if I could just teach somewhere.

Good luck to you too, by the way

[tjay]

Originally Posted by Ivorytickler

If we go to socialized medicine, you will see fewer people going into the medical profession. Why work that hard if you're not allowed to make more than the next guy? And those left in the field would be worked to death.

You could create a business where there were profits from health but not in a bad economy. Back when times were good, my company paid for health club memberships, personal trainers, dieticians, seminars on health/weight loss, stop smoking programs, etc, etc, etc...and people did make money offering the services. In a bad economy, they save money by cutting people and programs like these.

that's speculation. if it went well, we might see MORE people going into the medical profession. especially when they KNOW they'll get paid....besides, if you want more money (there's that greed thing again), encourage better health and be rewarded for it......it seems like a win win situation to me. i just had a baby, and every doctor's office i have been in (3 total in two different states) the doctor's were worked to death. you're speculating again, why is 'socialized healthcare' such a bad word? it doesn't have to be.

if greed would stop being the underlying factor in this country we wouldn't be in a recession!

[telepicker97]

Originally Posted by kcam213

My response is in red: I don't think that is what she's getting at...

Americans are fat and lazy. Period. They eat at McDonald's and Pizza Hut and drink Mountain Dew and smoke cigarettes...and that keeps the health care industry (and the pharmaceutical companies in particular) BOOMING...

As far as the ICU - that is necessary.

But blood-pressure medication may not be.

Except that some people have ESSENTIAL hypertension which means that their KIDNEYS lack proper funtioning... did you know it is the kidneys that have the biggest factor in regulating your blood pressure? What if the hypertension is genetics... not diet. It does happen.

Imagine if people ate better, and exercised, and didn't inhale decayed burning vegetation sprayed with arsenic and formaldehyde into thier lungs...how often would they have to go to the doctor's?

They wouldn't...so their insurance would be cheaper.

The health-care industry just wouldn't be as profitable if people didn't need as much health care...

If I needed a flipping lung transplant, then that's one thing... Maybe you smoked? Would that still be "one thing?"

But Americans go to the doctor's all the time, for every ache and pain, wheeze and wail...

Lactose intolerant? Go to the doctor, get a script. For those who are unable to digest milk... just how are they going to get calcium, an imporant nutrient for the heart and blood pressure regulation, how are they going to get vitamin D, important to absorb the calcium and maintain bone density. I guess they could take vitamin supplements... would that be better than taking the enzyme their body is lacking to absorb milk's natural nutrients??

Heartburn? Go to the doctor, get a script. Folks, don't ignore heartburn... it could be nothing, or it could be something. I work in a hospital, ICU for years and now in cardiology... I have seen many people die of esophagus bleeding that some believe are linked to esophagus erosion caused by heartburn.

Got a bad cough? Go to the doctor, get a script. Could be just a cough, could also be an early sign of lung cancer. If it is PERSISTENT, I think it should be investigated further.

Sore throat? Go to the doctor, get a script. See above

But let's not change our eating habits, our LIFESTYLES!!

Not to mention all the parents who don't pay enough attention to their kids, so their kids wind up with "Attention Deficit Disorder". They go to the doctor, get a script. Here, I have to agree with you... to many people are quick to label children as ADD, slow learner etc.

It's the biggest racket going, but stupid lazy people make it possible for the big machine to keep rolling along.

However, you have to admit, a large number of people in this country are overweight, eat terrible processed foods that cause numerous health problems, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, and this causes an undue burden on the health-care system, which in turn gets passed on to the consumer/taxpayer.

I'm not saying that your retorts are without merit; however, the people with LEGITIMATE NEEDS for health care and medication get shortchanged by the fat lazy people who don't care about their bodies, and relie on doctors and medicine to fix it and medicaid to pay for it.

Being in the healthcare field, you KNOW that is true.

[Dwatted Wabbit]

I notice "National Weekly Newsmagazine Writer/Editor" isn't on their list.

[kcam213]

Originally Posted by telepicker97

However, you have to admit, a large number of people in this country are overweight, eat terrible processed foods that cause numerous health problems, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, and this causes an undue burden on the health-care system, which in turn gets passed on to the consumer/taxpayer.

I'm not saying that your retorts are without merit; however, the people with LEGITIMATE NEEDS for health care and medication get shortchanged by the fat lazy people who don't care about their bodies, and relie on doctors and medicine to fix it and medicaid to pay for it.

Being in the healthcare field, you KNOW that is true.

That is true that people abuse their bodies and if uninsure, will burden the system for unhealthy lifestyle.

But "unhealthy lifestyle" can mean different things to different people. Not eating organic foods (very expensive) maybe considered unhealthy by some. Where do you draw the line?

BTW, This is why government should not try to run or legislate health care.

It should be left up to the providers, not politicians.

It is really a puzzle. I think if people pay tax $$ they should at least have access to health care... if not free health care then the option to buy at a group rate.

My montly premium for family is about $125 for excellent insurance. That is affordable to even many part time and under employed people. But since their employer do not sponsor health care, their choice is a lot more... maybe $300 - 400 per month. Very not affordable.

sorry I am really off topic here, but I felt I should answer.

[UpperPeninsulaRon]

Originally Posted by magellan

Never EVER base any life decisions on articles in publications like Newsweek. Just because they say a particular occupation is "recession resistant" doesn't mean that with a degree in that field you're guaranteed a job.

It's like thinking "People are always drinking alcohol, even in a recession, so I'll start brewing my own beer". Tell that to the 2000 people laid off recently at Anheuser Busch. These articles are all so flawed, because they try to paint things in such broad strokes (they have no choice, they are a national publication).

Very true. Let's look at four of the ten "recession proof" occupations. The article cites solar, wind, green, and energy efficiency. Is the publication trying to drive people into some course of study which the editors feel is laudable or are there really jobs in these fields?

We are in a recession, so there should be tons of these recession proof jobs listed in the employment pages of papers, websites, and the like. Would anyone like to show me companies that are currently hiring in these fields? Or are the editors attempting to herd the masses into studying subjects which simply are in tune with their belief systems?

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by Hoarfrost

They actually forgot the most famously recession proof industry ever.

Pornography. I wonder if that's going to become a lot more sought after...

I dunno. Wasn't the porn industry hoping to get a government bailout too? besides, with websites like YouPorno.com and PornoTube.com where amateurs can post their own skin flicks, who needs the commercial pornographers.

I wonder, what if Michigan also tried to subsidize the hard porn industry and not just the glamorous mainstream Hollywood films? Could we also grow a lucrative hard porn industry here in Michigan? Imagine hot porn stars rubbing noses (or, er, uh, bosoms) with sleazy politicians like Mayor Kwame.