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There's still that distinction in the Army. There's E-4 (Specialist) and E-4 (Corporal). A Corporal is an NCO. I would be unsurprised to see SPC die eventually and the only way to make E-4 was to step up and lead.
When I was an ALO I never heard it used, but here at Fort Sill I've heard the term for an E-4 specialist's rank as "Sham Shield", as in having no responsibility (not yet an NCO) so one had no real accountability yet. In the Air Force it meant that to have responsibility one had to be an E-5.
When I was an ALO I never heard it used, but here at Fort Sill I've heard the term for an E-4 specialist's rank as "Sham Shield", as in having no responsibility (not yet an NCO) so one had no real accountability yet. In the Air Force it meant that to have responsibility one had to be an E-5.
There is SO MUCH TRUTH in that statement. I was both an E-4 SPC and then an E-4 CPL. If you were a SPC and wanted to be nothing but a large lump of lazy, you could completely get away with it. Most did, too. 'I've done my time, let the Privates do it!'
Then the SPCs wondered why the Corporals got the leadership schools and were usually the ones recommended for promotion to SGT over SPCs /facepalm
Where or not an E-4 is a corporal or a specialist depends upon the Military Occupational Skill and the position assigned to. A corporal is usually an assistant squad leader while a sergeant leads the squad.
Specialists are just that, those working in and assigned to positions calling for non-combat specialized skills.
Where or not an E-4 is a corporal or a specialist depends upon the Military Occupational Skill and the position assigned to. A corporal is usually an assistant squad leader while a sergeant leads the squad.
Specialists are just that, those working in and assigned to positions calling for non-combat specialized skills.
Partially correct....E4 specialist are throughout the Army, in both combat and non-combat MOSs...
An E4 is a specialist, that is the most common rank when you make E4. I have never seen anyone go from E3 to E4 (corporal with stripes) they must go to E4 specialist then E4 corporal (not saying that has never happened).
Also, I believe that as a corporal you must have an NCOER written on you yearly....just not turned in...
I always thought it was an officer who made it through the ranks without going to a military school. Am I right?
When I was in the service in order to become an officer you first had to have at least a college BA degree. You wouldn't be accepted into Officer Candidate School with just a high school diploma. As far as I know even going to ROTC wouldn't get you a commission without a degree. The enlisted people I knew that became officers attended college (usually in their spare time) to get their degree. An NCO is an enlisted rank personnel that has progressed from the basic ranks to become higher skilled technicians and managers.
When I was in the service in order to become an officer you first had to have at least a college BA degree. You wouldn't be accepted into Officer Candidate School with just a high school diploma. As far as I know even going to ROTC wouldn't get you a commission without a degree.
The Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) is a college-based program for training commissioned officers which began it's roots in the 1800's. Army ROTC Scholarships are available. Your degree will be paid for. You do have a military obligation. And there are some qualifications.
The Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) is a college-based program for training commissioned officers which began it's roots in the 1800's. Army ROTC Scholarships are available. Your degree will be paid for. You do have a military obligation. And there are some qualifications.
Yes, but if you flunk out or drop out aren't you required to fulfill your ROTC service obligation as an enlisted? I should note that when I was in Basic training we did have a couple guys that had BA degrees but chose to enter the service as enlisted. If you really wanted to do a certain job like training military working dogs you had to be enlisted. I would have loved to be a pilot but without a degree that was never going to happen. I was in aerospace medicine and except for the flight surgeons all the other positions in my field were for enlisted.
Yes, but if you flunk out or drop out aren't you required to fulfill your ROTC service obligation as an enlisted?
For someone who flunks, drops out, or is put out on something like a criminal charge or loss of security clearance, they can be EITHER ordered to active duty OR pay back scholarship funds. All of those things are under the control of the individual.
Every single contracted cadet gets some financial support (a stipend at minimum), so my sympathy level for that situation is pretty low. You take the money, you owe something.
Here's the options:
a) Army orders payback - individual would owe scholarship funds back to government
b) Army orders service - individual would not owe scholarship funds back to government in return for service
c) Army orders payback, then the INDIVIDUAL decides to enlist - individual would owe scholarship funds to government (the enlistment wasn't ordered by the government, so it's not used for discharge of obligation)
If it's a medical issue, those are typically simply released.
Partially correct....E4 specialist are throughout the Army, in both combat and non-combat MOSs...
An E4 is a specialist, that is the most common rank when you make E4. I have never seen anyone go from E3 to E4 (corporal with stripes) they must go to E4 specialist then E4 corporal (not saying that has never happened).
Also, I believe that as a corporal you must have an NCOER written on you yearly....just not turned in...
I know that now is a different time than when I was in, but in 1958 I went from PFC to CPL and in the Signal Corp.
Partially correct....E4 specialist are throughout the Army, in both combat and non-combat MOSs...
An E4 is a specialist, that is the most common rank when you make E4. I have never seen anyone go from E3 to E4 (corporal with stripes) they must go to E4 specialist then E4 corporal (not saying that has never happened).
Also, I believe that as a corporal you must have an NCOER written on you yearly....just not turned in...
Okay, let me set you straight. I was a Personnel Specialist, a Personnel Management Specialist, and a Personnel Staff NCO. I know a little bit about the Army's Enlisted Promotion and Reduction Regulations as included in Army Regulation 600-8-19 which you can find @ http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_8_19.pdf.
Soldiers in Fields 11, 13, 18, and others can be promoted from PFC E-3 to Corporal E-4 IF THE POSITION THEY ARE FILLING CALLS FOR A CORPORAL! In many cases, they may have to undergo a form of NCO training before or after the promotion.
At the same time, any Specialist may convert to a NCO status if their job calls for it and they have received the appropriate training. There are Sp-6, Sp-7 ranks but most soldiers promoted to E-6 usually are promoted to Staff Sergeant, an NCO rank. It all depends upon their MOS and position.
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