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Wow, thanks so much for the videos, I could make a case for the Avalon, alone. Although I can't say I'm thrilled about moving into the flat, cold, rust belt. A few Random drinks, a movie, the gloomy day melts away.
Honestly it is cold throughout most of the year in Southeasten Wisconsin. It's cold as hell out right now. I hate it. I hate the cold especially when it is freezing cold. The hot summers are very short here.
Wisconsin foodie critic explores 3 restaurants in the Bay View neighborhood. I've eaten (a sausage) at the Vanguard before out on their back patio. A while back. I think I had a craft beer there too, an Oatmeal Stout or something. Honestly, the particular sausage I had (don't remember which one) I was not blown away by. It was okay. Not bad but something I could do without. I've never eaten at the other 2 restaurants featured in the vid. There are of course plenty other resturants in Bay View.
In this episode of Wisconsin Foodie, hosts Kyle Cherek and Jessica Bell head to Milwaukee’s Bay View neighborhood to explore some of the hottest restaurants to pop up in the city. Bay View has always been thought of as a working class neighborhood with mom and pop restaurants, ethnic eatery’s, deli’s and butcher shops littered throughout the tree dotted streets. Over the last couple of years there has been a group of young chefs and restaurateurs that want not only to preserve that tradition but elevated it to a whole other level...
There are coffee shops in Bay View too. Over a year ago I sat and drank a coffee in one. I don't remember the name but I do not think it was the local Colectivo one in Bay View (and at the lake too).
This video below is of the Colectivo coffee shop down at the lake (not Bay View), apparently they host live music performances occasionally, so, it's possible their branch in Bay View hosts live musical performances too. I don't know.
Tell me what are people like in Milwaukee? generally friendly? aloof? what is the vibe in the city?
Thank you so much for all the videos these are really great!! Really like this group!
Feeling much better about moving.
Just as when feminist or black intellectual put of "statistics" the "averages" does not give an image of every single individual.
So, per an individual the people will vary, even within their own racial or ethnic group or sex or sexual orientation or gender indentification.
In terms of "averages," per my own opinion:
The white people (its mostly white) and people of any color or whatever in Bay View are generallly easy to get along with. Basically friendly to some extent.
Same with the lower East Side. I infect thought I was going to have to punch some young white dude in the face on Brady Street on the lower East Side. The dude was staring all up in my mug. So, I thought it was agreesion time like it would be on the North Side or even the upper East Side where the poor blacks live in the East Side. Turns out this dude said, "Hello," to me. One of the weirdest things. That was the only time anyone on the lower East Side stared into my face or said hello to me though.
The North Side is a different ball game. Not so much with older black people in their 50's and 70's but the teens to mid 20's especially can be problematic. Even some cats in their 40's.
I'll put it to you like this, a white guy from New York City I used to occasionally "chop it up" with on the lower East Side, hated the young people of Milwaukee (really, he was talking about the black teens, but didn't mention race). He was--he claims--a former member of the old Irish Westies of NYC. And knew Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. He also says he met Frank Balisterie (sp?) the former mafia boss of Milwaukee when he came to New York City (which I know he did travel frequently to NYC to meet with their mob bosses because "Lefty" said so to Donnie Brasco in the book written by undercover agent Joe Pistone known as Donnie Brasco). But in his view he held young Milwaukeens in contempt as being more disrespectful to old people than New Yorker youth. He was speaking about what he saw of youth riding Milwaukee public buses. I would concur with him in general. My own experiences riding the New Yorker subways was that New Yorkers are a softer, kinder people to the homeless harassing people on public transportation for money. In Milwaukee they would probably get beat up.
Black Milwaukeens nearly all have family in and from Chicago (and Mississippi, Tennessee, and Arkansas). And the black gangs in Milwaukee originate from Chicago or are influenced by them. Likewise with the Latinos. The Latin Kings were in Milwaukee long before they were in New York City. I'm saying this to this: the black population of Milwaukee is more culturally akin to Chicago than they are to black New York. Take from that what you will. But if you're driving a car down a side street or through an alley many of them will be unlikely to move out of your way, as they chop it up from car to car, blocking the street. They will move on their own good time and will be ready to fight or draw guns if you say something to them. "Black Lives Matter" you know.
Black Milwaukeens nearly all have family in and from Chicago (and Mississippi, Tennessee, and Arkansas). And the black gangs in Milwaukee originate from Chicago or are influenced by them. Likewise with the Latinos. The Latin Kings were in Milwaukee long before they were in New York City. I'm saying this to this: the black population of Milwaukee is more culturally akin to Chicago than they are to black New York. Take from that what you will. But if you're driving a car down a side street or through an alley many of them will be unlikely to move out of your way, as they chop it up from car to car, blocking the street. They will move on their own good time and will be ready to fight or draw guns if you say something to them. "Black Lives Matter" you know.
My, what a broad and false brush you paint of Black people in Milwaukee.
Tell me what are people like in Milwaukee? generally friendly? aloof? what is the vibe in the city?
Thank you so much for all the videos these are really great!! Really like this group!
Feeling much better about moving.
Some communities are outright friendly to strangers and foster that spirit through many subtle things (such as walkable sidewalks and free local park events). Others could be seen as unfriendly and close. I think it comes from heavy german-polish influence, their norm is unlike English - when an Englishman/American smiles at you and says hello, he doesn't mean nothing he's just being polite. Germans or Polish people are polite when they don't talk to unfamiliar people, and just mind their business. So, lack of hellos and smiles in WI should not be perceived as general unfriendliness... Just it is so here sometimes.
Black Milwaukeens nearly all have family in and from Chicago (and Mississippi, Tennessee, and Arkansas). And the black gangs in Milwaukee originate from Chicago or are influenced by them. Likewise with the Latinos. The Latin Kings were in Milwaukee long before they were in New York City. I'm saying this to this: the black population of Milwaukee is more culturally akin to Chicago than they are to black New York. Take from that what you will. But if you're driving a car down a side street or through an alley many of them will be unlikely to move out of your way, as they chop it up from car to car, blocking the street. They will move on their own good time and will be ready to fight or draw guns if you say something to them. "Black Lives Matter" you know.
My, what a broad and false brush you paint of Black people in Milwaukee.
Broad yes, false no. Social sciences paint with broad brushes. Say when speaking about white privilege, patriarchy, racism, or even slavery in the Old South.
The broad brush of say... homicides in Milwaukee is this: most of them are carried out by black males.
The broad brush of the history of Southern lynchings is this, or at least so far as I know: the vast majorities of the lynch mobs were made up of American whites. Even when the Italians (or maybe they were Sicilians) in New Orleans were lynched in what resulted in being to this day the largest single mass lynching in US history. Most the perpetrators--if not all--in the lynch mob were white.
So, likewise it is no mystery where most ethnic Black-Americans migrated from when coming to Milwaukee decades ago in the 20th Century. They were part of what is termed "The Great Migration." My black grandparents came to Milwaukee from Mississippi. A very common story in black Milwaukee. But many other blacks came to Milwaukee from Tennessee and Arkansas. My black father (Baby Boomer generation) has told me when he was younger that Milwaukee used to have an annual Tennessee Ball. Black Milwaukee that is.
As late as the early 1990's Milwaukee and Atlanta received the largest waves of ethnic Black-American migration in the whole of mainland USA. In the case of Milwaukee nearly all of them (my source was an old Jet magazine I read in the 1990's) came from Chicago, and nearly all of those Chicagoans Jet Magazine noted were poor. In the case of Atlanta large numbers came from Chicago but large numbers from all over the country too, and in the case of Atlanta the city attracted many college educated and middle-class ethnic Black-Americans.
In terms of the gangs in Milwaukee I have a decent grasp of this as I was more or less raised around it.
I suspect you are confused by names.
For example, let's take the East Side Gangsters that are in a certain section of the River West area and certain sections of 1st and 3rd street areas.
East Side Gangsters is a gang. A Milwaukee gang. But their organization originates in Chicago as well as their nation.
Nation sits at the top. Under a nation exists and organization. And within and organization is a multitude of gangs.
I'm not sure what organization East Side Gangsters belong to but it likely would be either GD's (Gangster Disciples also known as Growth and Development), BD's (Black Disciples), or BG's (Black Gangsters).
But what I do know is that the East Side Gangsters are under the Folks Nation.
Hands down most black gangs in Milwaukee that are under the Folks Nation (I'm not speaking about the Peoples Nation which organizations like the Vice Lords, El Rukns, and Black P. Stone fall under, which are in Milwaukee too) are most often GD's. Then some BD's but not many. And very few BG's if at all.
There have been some homegrown black Milwaukee gangs that may not have Chicago roots per se, but even those I would say have been influenced by black Chicago gang culture (not NYC or LA).
The Milwaukee mafia family (among the Italians and Sicilians) probably had their own traditions and probably some of their own particular family laws, but even the Milwaukee mafia was arguably heavily influenced by the Chicago Outfit. Not simply because the mafia boss of Milwaukee answered to Chicago, its leadership had to be approved by Chicago bosses, but because the two worked so very closely with one another. One could argue the Kansas City mafia had more independence from Chicago than the Milwaukee mafia did.
Now, it is true one will hear or read statements like "the Gangster Disciples Nation" or "the Black P. Stone Nation." And those are true statements in what they are trying to convey. However, the more clear structure of Chicago born gangs runs: Nation (either Folks or Peoples), Organization, and then gang.
Oh, I should have noted. The Folks Nation and People's Nation originate in Chicago (not Milwaukee). And likewise with the organizations: GD's, BD's, BG's.
Same with organizations in Milwaukee like the VL's (Vice Lords), the organization orginated in Chicago and not Milwaukee.
Black Milwaukeens nearly all have family in and from Chicago (and Mississippi, Tennessee, and Arkansas). And the black gangs in Milwaukee originate from Chicago or are influenced by them. Likewise with the Latinos. The Latin Kings were in Milwaukee long before they were in New York City. I'm saying this to this: the black population of Milwaukee is more culturally akin to Chicago than they are to black New York. Take from that what you will. But if you're driving a car down a side street or through an alley many of them will be unlikely to move out of your way, as they chop it up from car to car, blocking the street. They will move on their own good time and will be ready to fight or draw guns if you say something to them. "Black Lives Matter" you know.
My, what a broad and false brush you paint of Black people in Milwaukee.
The large-scale migration of black citizens to Wisconsin only occurred after World War II. Between 1940 and 1960, Wisconsin's African-American population increased by nearly 600 percent, from 12,158 in 1940 to 74,546 in 1960. Drawn to jobs in industrial cities during the war, many African Americans stayed to raise their families. Most of these new residents came from Mississippi, Arkansas, and Tennessee.
It is not uncommon for blacks in Milwaukee to name the city from which their ancestors left for Milwaukee and the year in which they did so. After one family member moved and was settled, brothers, sisters, or cousins often followed. Small town networks were re-created.
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Mississippi was the most common state of origin for Milwaukee blacks during the height of the Great Migration. As late as 1960, roughly half of all African Americans in Milwaukee had been born in the South, and only about a third had been born in Wisconsin.
But this Italian food restaurant in the casino looks to be a lot more generic than the neighborhood Odd Duck restraint in Bay View. This Italian restaurant in the casino says they change their menu twice a year.
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