Is there a Ghetto of St. Paul, if so which side, North, South etc. (Minneapolis: transplants, how much)

[Beenhere4ever]

Interesting. Went to the St Paul Police site. Some crime statistics are a bit behind, only up to 2010. But they do have crimes against persons for 2011. 8 murders in the whole city for the whole year. In Minneapolis, Jordan and Philips have one less than all of St Paul. And in crime maps, wide swaths of the West Side have zero as the number of violent crimes in certain categories. Not just murders. Other violent crimes, too. But Frogtown and the East Side have top numbers in certain categories. Seems some of these categories are localized in St Paul. I wonder if downtown St Paul has riffraff wandering around jumping innocent people. I hope not. I think the Twin Cities has suburbs more dangerous than St Paul.

http://www.stpaul.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=20883

CrimeMapping.com - National Map

[StanleyVegas]

Originally Posted by Beenhere4ever

Interesting. Went to the St Paul Police site. Some crime statistics are a bit behind, only up to 2010. But they do have crimes against persons for 2011. 8 murders in the whole city for the whole year. In Minneapolis, Jordan and Philips have one less than all of St Paul. And in crime maps, wide swaths of the West Side have zero as the number of violent crimes in certain categories. Not just murders. Other violent crimes, too. But Frogtown and the East Side have top numbers in certain categories. Seems some of these categories are localized in St Paul. I wonder if downtown St Paul has riffraff wandering around jumping innocent people. I hope not. I think the Twin Cities has suburbs more dangerous than St Paul.

http://www.stpaul.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=20883

CrimeMapping.com - National Map

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I live in grid 70 on the St. Paul city map you linked.

We had one murder last year. A guy got into a late-night altercation with a gang member at a bar, who then returned at closing and shot him and his friend outside the bar.

This year we had one murder in Feb. - body found in an alley behind a shed, also gang-related.

I'm not trying to minimize the violence. But the violence that does occur tends to be between gangs, or within gangs, or with people involved with them in some way. They don't go around randomly targeting people.

[Beenhere4ever]

Like I said, St Paul, no matter what "side" you talk about is less violent than some neighborhoods in Minneapolis. Must be about ethnic concentration, or something (don't really know but it seems to have been consistently like this in the last four decades). I think "ghetto" might be too strong a word. After gentrification of Selby Dale and the wiping out of Rondo by I94, poverty concentration might be more diluted than it was.

[Govie]

St. Paul really isn't that bad at all. A few years ago a neighbor two doors down from me was robbed at gun point during the day, and that was a bit of a shocker. But other than that and the occasional car break in here nowadays it's not too bad.

[trip_shakespeare]

Originally Posted by Beenhere4ever

By the way, just out of interest, I looked at the 2012 murders map. NO murders south of the Mississipi either. The West Side is pretty safe this year. Having visited the residential areas, I guess I'm not surprised.

That's what my original post regarding the west side was in reference too - the fact that there have been no murders there

[Beenhere4ever]

Originally Posted by trip_shakespeare

That's what my original post regarding the west side was in reference too - the fact that there have been no murders there

Careful with that slapping. Brain damage would do you no tood. By the way, there are many neighborhoods with no murders. And why do you assume you've found the "ghetto" when you find murders? Is that the definition of a "ghetto"?

[trip_shakespeare]

Originally Posted by Beenhere4ever

Careful with that slapping. Brain damage would do you no tood. By the way, there are many neighborhoods with no murders. And why do you assume you've found the "ghetto" when you find murders? Is that the definition of a "ghetto"?

Why do you continue to put words in my mouth? I never said that areas of the city with higher crime/murder rates are "ghetto." In fact, I am of the opinion that there are no ghettos in St. Paul.

My only intent in posting in this thread was to evidence the fact that the west side is not a ghetto.

Stop misrepresenting my position.

[spectre000]

Originally Posted by Beenhere4ever

Interesting. Went to the St Paul Police site. Some crime statistics are a bit behind, only up to 2010. But they do have crimes against persons for 2011. 8 murders in the whole city for the whole year. In Minneapolis, Jordan and Philips have one less than all of St Paul. And in crime maps, wide swaths of the West Side have zero as the number of violent crimes in certain categories. Not just murders. Other violent crimes, too. But Frogtown and the East Side have top numbers in certain categories. Seems some of these categories are localized in St Paul. I wonder if downtown St Paul has riffraff wandering around jumping innocent people. I hope not. I think the Twin Cities has suburbs more dangerous than St Paul.

Downtown St. Paul hasn't experienced any of the flash mob attacks that have occurred so far like those in Minneapolis. I've lived and work in downtown for five years now. I think the last murder in downtown was back in 2007. That may or may not be a good thing. LOL. It's quiet. That's the way a lot of people want it. Not me personally. But it is what it is.

I do want to say I hate the title of this thread. There is nothing even remotely close to a ghetto in St. Paul. The west side is fantastic. Sure you'll find some scary stretches of blocks in this city, just like any other major city around the world. But the Twin Cities, particularly St. Paul, are quite safe.

[Beenhere4ever]

Truth is though downtown Mpls has gang attacks, the shooting do NOT tend to happen down there. And we DEFINITELY have more violent neighborhoods (again "ghetto" may be an obsolete word now that Asians, new Africans, and Hispanics live there, too.) There may be tiny enclaves in St Paul that bear some resemblance, but I really don't see a Northside or Philps in St Paul. Been quite a mystery why not. Gangs have really tried to set up turf, but Minneapolis seems a more natural place for them to move in.

[srsmn]

Originally Posted by Beenhere4ever

Truth is though downtown Mpls has gang attacks, the shooting do NOT tend to happen down there. And we DEFINITELY have more violent neighborhoods (again "ghetto" may be an obsolete word now that Asians, new Africans, and Hispanics live there, too.) There may be tiny enclaves in St Paul that bear some resemblance, but I really don't see a Northside or Philps in St Paul. Been quite a mystery why not. Gangs have really tried to set up turf, but Minneapolis seems a more natural place for them to move in.

My understanding is that gangs in St. Paul are locals-- Selbysiders, East Side Boyz, etc. Gangs in Minneapolis at the peak of violent crime in the '90's were all "national affiliates"-- Tre Tre Crips, Bloods, Disciples. In the nationwide gang, there was better organization, and they were better all-around shots than the kids running St. Paul's gangs now.

There was a period when St. Paul had a problem with organized Hmong-American crime (MOD), but state law enforcement caught a lot of the higher-ups in the state and the gang has been quiet for several years now.

<<<(again "ghetto" may be an obsolete word now that Asians, new Africans, and Hispanics live there, too.)>>>

Why? A ghetto is typically a place where one race, ethnicity, or socioeconomic class of people is separated from access to jobs, transit, good housing and schools, etc. Doesn't matter if the residents are White, African-American, Hispanic, Asian, foreign-born or natural-born. I, like you, don't like the term ghetto and don't use it....but that's because I lived in a neighborhood in Minneapolis that people pre-judged as a "ghetto" without ever even having been there or seen all of the cool stuff that was going on....