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Old 08-16-2013, 06:51 PM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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I went to the farmers market along university last week and was shocked as to how much of a ghetto it seemed. It felt like I was in a different country. Being the only 'foreigner' around at the time I was constantly being hit up for spare change. When I got back to my car one guy even peered through my windows and asked if he could have the quarter he saw on the floor in my back seat. Perhaps the light-rail will improve that area somewhat, its hard to imagine how though.
Panhandlers are much more prevalent over on Frogtown than you are likely to see on the East Side.
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:02 AM
 
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Here is a link to a new Saint Paul crime map. As I and many others have indicated, the East Side, (Dayton's Bluff, Payne Phalen) neighborhoods are by far and away the worst areas in Saint Paul.
TwinCities.com Crime App
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:08 AM
 
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I suppose so. Maybe it's a little different for me as an insider looking in (or out) as opposed to someone like you who is an outsider looking in.
Not an "outsider' looking in on Saint Paul but yes an outsider looking in on the East Side from the West Side and what I and many others see is very troubling. My grandparents grew up in Saint Paul, as did my mother, I have french family buried in Saint Paul's catholic going cemeteries back to the 1840's! I love the old city and am just sad to see what has happened to the East Side particularly.
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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Not an "outsider' looking in on Saint Paul but yes an outsider looking in on the East Side from the West Side and what I and many others see is very troubling. My grandparents grew up in Saint Paul, as did my mother, I have french family buried in Saint Paul's catholic going cemeteries back to the 1840's! I love the old city and am just sad to see what has happened to the East Side particularly.
It's sad but inevitable. We are a diverse place with many cultures, the old ways will not remain. Everything has changed: worldviews, traditions, values, morality, family structure, civil responsibilities and expectations, economics, politics, technology. The bottom line is that today's poor live squalidly compared to yesteryear's poor.
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:01 AM
 
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It's sad but inevitable. We are a diverse place with many cultures, the old ways will not remain. Everything has changed: worldviews, traditions, values, morality, family structure, civil responsibilities and expectations, economics, politics, technology. The bottom line is that today's poor live squalidly compared to yesteryear's poor.
It depends on your definition of squalid. Would a neighborhood like Swede Hollow exist today?
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:04 AM
 
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It's sad but inevitable. We are a diverse place with many cultures, the old ways will not remain. Everything has changed: worldviews, traditions, values, morality, family structure, civil responsibilities and expectations, economics, politics, technology. The bottom line is that today's poor live squalidly compared to yesteryear's poor.
Hardly...they still generally have electricity, running water, etc. There are federal programs to help them, welfare, food stamps, etc. It's a big step up from tar paper shacks...
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:23 AM
 
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It depends on your definition of squalid. Would a neighborhood like Swede Hollow exist today?
Or the old Gateway District in Minneapolis, for that matter.
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Old 08-30-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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By yesteryear I was thinking of the 50s.
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Old 08-30-2013, 05:07 PM
 
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By yesteryear I was thinking of the 50s.
so was I....
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Old 01-05-2014, 05:39 PM
 
Location: east saint paul
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Exclamation Interesting you ask

I've lived on the East side about 25 years now. It has good and bad area's. Frogtown which I consider central st.paul not east, is the worst. University ave from Snelling ave down to the capital is a dump. Dale and selby area has pockets of bad area's. East St.paul's worst area is along payne avenue up to edgerton. lake phalen area is the nicest area. Its one huge pocket im describing. It's kinda crazy how you can go over a small bridge and the area is totally different. North Saint Paul I would say is the safest area. Lots of old timers who never move. They also don't like trashy looking people at their bars or on the street. Really small town vibe. South Saint Paul is alright too. West and East St.Paul are area's to avoid unless you find a great deal and know the area pockets like I do. Some neighborhoods in East Saint Paul near projects are the worst. Stay away from apartment buildings and projects and you'll be fine.
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