11-09-2009, 07:26 AM
Location: Mississippi
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I'm going to go with poptones here and say that sometimes it is necessary to kill an animal, and sometimes it is the humane thing to do. If you have ever lived in the country you would know there are packs of wild dogs that lure pets into the woods and kill them. They will do the same to a child if they get the chance. Where my parents live you can hear them at night. Don't think if it came to my pet or a child I wouldn't blow them away. You DO value a childs life more than an animal, right?
I don't condone the senseless abuse of animals, but sometimes it is necessary to kill them.
11-09-2009, 04:41 PM
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There is a huge difference between Native Americans hunting and what goes on today, especially from that sad excuse for a human that suggested using strays as "game animals". The Native Americans respected the animals they hunted, thanked them for giving their life, and used up every bit of their lifeless bodies they could. Their survival depended on it. A big difference from people who kill simply for the joy of killing.
Out of all the animals I have rescued or fed, not once did I feel in danger. The starving dogs and cats responded with gratitude and ones I have kept as pets reward me daily with unconditional love and loyalty. Saying dogs revert to their wild state in a matter of days is ridiculous. Yes, packs of homeless dogs can be dangerous and all the more reason why cities and counties must provide for a proper solution to unwanted animals...so they aren't let loose to form packs.
I agree Peta goes overboard in many areas, and gives the impression to many that animal lovers are 'kooks". But they have been instrumental in helping establish animal cruelty laws, which is important. If people feel they can treat animals in any way they choose with no control or repercussions, it gives them the opportunity to do what they may not otherwise do if there were consequences to their actions. It is a documented and proven fact that people who torture or mistreat animals also exhibit abusive behavior to humans. All serial killers as children were animal abusers.
Regardless of how you feel about PETA, compassion, kindness and caring for God's helpless creatures is not kooky - I applaud all the folks who responded to this thread with those qualities. For the folks who just don't "get it"....I can only hope you evolve from the ignorance and cruelty and develop a heart for animals sometime in your life.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”....Mahatma Gandhi
I in no way equated Native American practices to classifing strays as Game animals. I really admire early Native Americans and early settlers. Did you know that one of the practices the Native americans used was to herd buffalo to the edge of a clift and drive them over the edge to their death? Do I condemm them for this? No, not at all they done what they had to to survive. I seem to remember PETA protesting a group of Alaskan Natvies for killing a whale that they were to use for their village. What about getting on to President Obama for swating a fly that was probably pestering the crap out of him.
So what is your solution for the animals already there? You just said that packs of homeless animals can be dangerous, well I hate to tell you this but they are the starving dogs too. Maybe they will respond with gratitude and just walk right to you. More realistically they will run away and guess what they can run faster than you. That means traps for a urban environment.
I just said their (PETA) efforts would be more effective if they didn't have such a far left agenda. (Standing out in front of public places naked as a Jaybird with blood all over them really helps their cause) I also said that people that were creul and had no respect for animals were just as bad.
I have invested my whole life and career (As a Wildlife Biologist) to helping create and reclaim habitat for fish and wildlife as well as the little bitty critters that they depend on. What do you do for a living?
I am also a christian and my Lord tells me to love and respect all of his creation. He also tells me to use only what I need and there is no shame in that. Even if that happens to be killing animals to use.
11-09-2009, 06:42 PM
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A few weeks ago, on Hwy. 61 south of Clarksdale, MS. behind a slow moving car doing about 35, he hit a dog that I think could have been safely avoided.
No brake lights, no movement to the side etc. Car turned off on a side road and just slowly kept going. The dog was upside down having leg spasms.
Wish I could have stopped but no room to turn around.
I'm from Oregon, and the term Road Kill is common, but one wonders if that includes dogs.
11-09-2009, 06:53 PM
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He must have had an old car or it was a small dog. If I hit a collie going 35mph in my car I'd probably be calling for a tow truck. At the very least I'd be replacing $1500 worth of cowling and bumper and maybe a couple thousand worth of air bags.
Many folks who condemn "thinning" wild and ferrel animals don't realize the danger they present to everyone else. The deer limit this year is SEVEN deer no limit on sex - the deer population is so overblown right now it's dangerous to drive 17 miles to my brother's house in the country. I've had a half dozen close calls and he's had a couple of them leap from the woods and hit his vehicle as it passes. We desperately NEED to be rid of many of these deer and a bullet or arrow can be a lot more humane than a car... at the very least it's far less expensive.
11-09-2009, 10:42 PM
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Rednecks are everywhere in this country, and things like this happen in every rural area you can find, not just Mississippi, the poster above is correct. Some people are just idiots.
Sorry there is something about the south that increases the problem.
We have been in FL two years and every week it is child abuse or animal abuse in the news.
Different breed of people down here, that you don't find up north or out west.
Lets face facts when you look at the obesity rates, the lack of education, etc...it is always higher in the southern states.
It all ties in together.
11-09-2009, 10:46 PM
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A few weeks ago, on Hwy. 61 south of Clarksdale, MS. behind a slow moving car doing about 35, he hit a dog that I think could have been safely avoided.
No brake lights, no movement to the side etc. Car turned off on a side road and just slowly kept going. The dog was upside down having leg spasms.
Wish I could have stopped but no room to turn around.
I'm from Oregon, and the term Road Kill is common, but one wonders if that includes dogs.
It was done on purpose. Like I said a "different breed".
When you haven't been exposed to the Jerry Springer types it is a shock to think in 2009 we have people in this country like that.
But we do.
11-10-2009, 01:17 AM
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Ummm.. you do realize Jerry Springer is staged, right? You seem to be basing your view of reality on the social equivalent of WWE wrestling.
Maybe for balance you could watch more Maury Povich - most of his freaks come from the northeast.
11-10-2009, 12:43 PM
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Ummm.. you do realize Jerry Springer is staged, right? You seem to be basing your view of reality on the social equivalent of WWE wrestling.
Maybe for balance you could watch more Maury Povich - most of his freaks come from the northeast.
But they have all their teeth.....LOL.
11-10-2009, 12:54 PM
Location: Jackson, MS
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The newest show that showcases the northeast's finest is Parking Wars. Have you seen it yet poptones?
11-10-2009, 02:45 PM
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I don't have time for any of that crap, honestly. I see too much of it as it is without seeking out more.
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)