04-23-2013, 03:24 PM
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For backpacking, I'd choose Glacier NP. For short hikes and general sightseeing, Yellowstone NP and Grand Teton NP.
These two options are far enough removed from each other—roughly a day's drive, one way—that in a relatively short trip it would make most sense to choose either Glacier or Yellowstone and its close neighbor Grand Teton.
While all are wilderness destinations, it is probably easier to encounter bears in Glacier. With proper precautions, such as the storing of food, this statically is a minor risk. But still there; for anyone truly concerned it would be advisable never to venture much farther than the parking lot in any of these national parks. The prevalence of wildlife and large predators being one of the principle ideas. One will see and have less access to wildlife in the more popular and heavily trafficked venues. From this standpoint Yellowstone/Grand Teton would more easily provide a glimpse of wilderness without exactly being in it.
One could get out and beyond in any of these national parks, if seeking true wilderness. As said, Glacier could provide a wealth of opportunities for this. If hesitant, all these parks offer the option of campsites with facilities and your auto but a few feet away. More in the way of crowds, too, but that comes with the territory. If wishing to go more upscale, they also offer lovely park lodges. In both cases, particular in high season, prior reservations are recommended. If heading out into the woods, save possibly some of the more popular camp spots, you can more or less just show up. A backcountry camping permit will probably be required for a relatively low fee.
While company can be nice on occasion, camping on one's own can be pleasant. If some question in this then do some research in advance, and possibly plan on camping close in. While one could go way out, it is not necessary to be well within the woods and enjoy as much. Some campsites can be but short hikes from the trailhead and close enough to return to one's auto in the middle of the night if it seems overwhelming in the moment. Despite some of the discomforts, true camping can be rewarding and a fond memory forever more. It is worth considering and preparing for if at all interested. As mentioned elsewhere, rangers at these parks can offer much helpful advice in this regard.
Aside from possible backpacking, another reason to visit Glacier would be for no more than the experience of driving across this park on its notable and ever so scenic 'Going-to-the-Sun' road. A fantastic drive. But all these parks are spectacular, with Yellowstone of course a wealth of geothermal features, Grand Teton a postcard. You can't go wrong either way. But best results achieved if some notion in advance of what you are truly seeking. If interested in short but quite beautiful hikes, versus backpacking, then easily had—and you'll save yourself the bother of planning for that never really intended.
In the end, a comfortable lodge room is best, if that desired. And if indeed backpacking—then do it.
04-24-2013, 04:52 PM
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I would recommend Yellowstone/Tetons for your trip, simply because you are a first time backpacker and it's more accessible with less danger.
I have been backpacking for 10 years and I'm an outdoor trainer and I would never, ever, ever recommend someone to go backpacking on that long of a trip in Glacier when it's their first time. It's simply a bad idea in general. I studied and was hesitant backpacking just last August in Glacier for the first time. Personally, I liked Glacier overall more than the other two more southern parks, but you will NOT go wrong visiting either. They all some of the most impressive in the entire country and will blow your socks off.
If you love your experience, it will just fuel you to go back to whichever you miss later on.
Professionally and personally though, I would recommend Yellowstone/Tetons for your first backpacking experience, as Glacier is just more of an undertaking with more experience needed. Although you've already debunked it, just for others who may read this, I would never in a million years go backpacking in either of these places alone. I would be hard pressed to hike alone-the only way I would do it is if I was a park employee and I had to.
Whichever you choose, please do your research and the needed preperations to keep yourself, your backpacking group and the area safe. Have permits, the correct equiptment and esspecially be bear aware so you are not putting yourself or the bears in harms way.
Let us know what you decide!
05-16-2013, 02:55 PM
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There are parts of GTNP that are said to be the wildest country in the lower 48.
Wildlife sightings can be better in GTNP than either of the other two.
I'm not sure Glacier has anything like the Lamar Valley.
As far as backpacking goes try an overnight before you go multiple days.
You may want to try an overnight in familiar surroundings (where you live).
Find out how much fuel you are going to have to pack.
There's a lot to learn and a large NP may not be the place to learn on your own.
These parks may have roads but if you get into the back country you are in wilderness and all that implies.
Be safe, no one wants to win a Darwin award.
05-16-2013, 05:54 PM
Location: Wyoming
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All three are terrific parks that I've visited often. I side with those recommending Yellowstone for the first time. It usually has more wildlife visible from the roads and is a little less primitive. By all means also visit GTNP too. I strongly disagree that GTNP is the best for wildlife sightings. That distinction must go to Yellowstone, and that's also where the Lamar Valley is. I've seen more moose in GTNP, but for bison, bear, elk and other smaller species, Yellowstone takes it. Another great one for wildlife is the wildlife loop in Custer State Park in the S.D. Blackhills. Mile for mile, wildlife density and variety is probably better there than at any of the big three mentioned. It might also be a better place for the beginning hiker, but while a pretty area, it can't match the others for scenic splendor. That's a toss-up between GTNP and Glacier.
As an aside, for scenic beauty from the road, the Beartooth Highway between Red Lodge, MT and Yellowstone's NE gate is about as good as it gets.
I'd also recommend the Bighorns for hiking. They've got everything a backpacker could ask for minus grizzlies. But still do it with caution. You can get lost there just as easily, and I've seen snow storms in the Bighorns every month of the year.
06-18-2013, 10:16 AM
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Glacier is the most scenic park in the lower 48. It does everything very, very well. Most of the campgrounds in Glacier are on incredible lakes.
Glacier has water....everywhere. Glacier is far more diverse because of Pacific influences on the western divide. You start running into cedar rainforests and a broader range of animals, such as white-tailed deer mixed in with the typical muley's of Yellowstone/Teton. G
2,000 foot waterfalls are common in Glacier.
now, that's not to say Grand Teton is somehow "bad". In fact, I'd put it right behind Glacier. But it's not as diverse, nor as cinematic. Yellowstone is a great park, but way, way too many people visit it. I prefer camping the national forests that surround Yellowstone. No one really does, and I often have the place to myself.
For wildlife, I'll also take Glacier. It's a "vertical" wildlife park. A couple years back I spotted eight moose, an elk, a bald eagle, a golden eagle, a grizzly family, mountain goats, and a bighorn. This was from one spot in a five minute span.
Teton and Glacier are the best place to see moose in the lower 48. NE Yellowstone is right behind. For outright scenery, Glacier is the king. Every view is great in that park. Every one.
For river fishing, Yellowstone is king (and the surrounding national forests). For lake fishing, I prefer Glacier. Glacier does have incredible rivers, but they are often colder and a bit sterile, meaning fish are smaller and less numerous. That said, the Glacier ecosystem does in fact have wilder rivers than the Yellowstone ecosystem. The South Fork and Middle Fork of the Flathead River being the main example.
It's hard to choose between both places. I spend a lot of time in the national forests north of Yellowstone, then pop down to Teton for a few days. They are all great, great destinations. But Glacier is, and always will be the king in the lower 48.
06-23-2013, 07:56 AM
Location: Brew City
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In my opinion, it goes
1a. Glacier National Park
1b. Grand Teton National Park
3. Yellowstone National Park
Some people will say Yellowstone is better for wildlife but I disagree. I've seen more diverse wildlife every time I go to Glacier. You'll see plenty of buffalo and elk in Yellowstone but that's about it. You may see some deer, eagles antelope and such but you can see all of those most places in Montana. I've seen more bear in Glacier along with bighorn sheep, moose and mountain goat.
I prefer landscapes to wildlife though and between Glacier and Yellowstone, there's no comparison. Teton rivals Glacier but it's not quite there.
06-25-2013, 02:02 PM
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Our family prefers Glacier. Two years ago we saw moose, big horns, mountain goats, grizzly (from a distance), elk, deer, golden eagles, pica, fox, coyotes.. Even a few stray hippies thrown in for good measure. Then you add in unreal scenery, gorgeous water, cool nights.. Heaven.
Last year my son and I did about 12 miles from the Garden Wall to the chalet and down the other side. The wildflowers were stunning and the view from the chalet is incredible.
Click on my pics and you'll see one of my daughter and a goat right behind her at Glacier..
06-27-2013, 01:53 PM
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Hey Threerun,
I just viewed your photos, your pirate dog looks like he's sailing the seas at The Gates. Maybe we'll see you there. We live in the North Valley and take our boat up there a few times a year. Gorgeous river trip.
06-27-2013, 02:19 PM
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Hey Threerun,
I just viewed your photos, your pirate dog looks like he's sailing the seas at The Gates. Maybe we'll see you there. We live in the North Valley and take our boat up there a few times a year. Gorgeous river trip.
It is up at the Gates. We live in North Valley as well. Look for a boat with 2 adults, 2 kids, the one-eyed Basenji and a rambuncious German Short Hair.
07-01-2013, 03:58 PM
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If it wasn't for the one-eyed dog, I'd swear you were my husband posting. We will also be out with two kids, two adults, a short-hair pointer but with a black lab puppy.
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Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)