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Old 08-26-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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I own a house in Michigan that I have not paid mortgage/taxes/etc on since March of 2009. I haven't lived in it for two years, I now live 2k miles away, it has an 80/20 mortgage, and I still owe a little over 100k on it. The neighborhood has gotten very bad, and there's houses on our block that have been on short sale for a year at 40k and not selling.

The mortgage companies have done almost nothing to begin foreclosure.. I still just get past due statements every month. This is getting to me more and more each month... I wish they'd just do something so I can move on. If my decisions to this point were smart or not is besides the point... what I'm wondering is if there's anything I can do to speed this up. I guess I would try a short sale even though it won't work, but I imagine that means I'd have to back pay property taxes (which I can't afford), I live far away, and honestly I don't know the shape of the interior as I haven't been back to Michigan since I left.

Having an 80/20 with HORRIBLE terms I stupidly got suckered into makes this all more sticky... Should I call the mortgage companies and flat out tell them my situation or that I'm not paying, or at this point just wait for them to start foreclosure? I thought surely by now they'd have started it, but no go. I don't want to keep the house - I just want this to end already...

Any comments/advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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My guess would be contact the mortgage company. They most likely will not tell you anything you were not expecting as it is.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:01 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Your mortgage company already knows you aren't paying.

And if you think getting statements every month is getting to you, imagine not getting paid back what someone owes you every month.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:30 PM
 
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And if you think getting statements every month is getting to you, imagine not getting paid back what someone owes you every month.
Yes, thanks, pretty sure I do considering that's how I got in the financial position in the first place. Didn't think I needed to include that part. I'm just looking for the best way (for me) to end this here.
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Just south of Denver since 1989
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Is your 80/20 with the same lender?
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:52 PM
 
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Is your 80/20 with the same lender?
No.. both have changed banks 3x, but they're separate.
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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I own a house in Michigan ...
You don't own the house. You just have a mortgage on it.
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Any comments/advice would be greatly appreciated!
Many people in that situation ( if they are living in it ) are using their
houses ( again ) as an ATM. Not making a mortgage payment is like
having a negative/getting paid for that mortgage payment. This has
much to do with the fading expansion in consumer spending. If you
have no mortgage payment, your lifestyle can really improve.

If the investor ( not the bank ) had the resources to start foreclosure,
they would have started it. I assume that many banks don't want to
do this because they don't want to recognize the bad asset.

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... getting to you, imagine not getting paid
back what someone owes you every month.
I don't imagine that is "getting to" the bank.

The bank services the loan. Every time they send out another delinquency
letter, they get to charge more for the servicing. Later, when the investor
decides to do the foreclosure, the bank will make more money servicing that.

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Old 08-27-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: DFW
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The bank services the loan. Every time they send out another delinquency
letter, they get to charge more for the servicing. Later, when the investor
decides to do the foreclosure, the bank will make more money servicing that.
Where do you get that? I work in servicing and we lose money on every delinquent loan, some much more than others. We even lose some money on FHA loans - and they pay more on foreclosures than any other insurer - because they don't fully reimburse expenses. There are caps, and you don't file for all your administrative expenses anyway, you file for attorney bills and things like that.
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Old 08-27-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: New York
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First need to say;

I'm in a field where there's a lot of controversy, most people to do not understand entirely what we do to help people. Every situation is different. People are skeptical based on wrong information they hear/read based on a negative statements that is giving everyone in my field a bad name. For every one bad case - I can show 100 cases where it did work. There are people that want to help others, I truly believe in one hand washes the other, and what comes around goes around.

I realize many people are not computer literate. Advising you to be careful on what information your are posting, and what information you keep private when on the internet.

Now that I said that - lets discuss what is on the table for you.

The state of Michigan is a non recourse state. Which means if you don't pay your mortgage, the 1st lender gets your home back. This way helps protect you a getting hit with a deficiency judgment later when the property does sells for less then the actual balance.

The correct way ton settling on a 2nd, it is best done when you are working on settle on the 1st mortgage. If you wait till last point to work opn this, then your 2nd can pursue you in civil court under a breach of contract claim. It talkes about a year for your caseto the courts. Once there is a judgment rendered, it is next to impossible to negotiate a lower amount.

Also noting Michigan is one of the hardest hit states for unemployment and home values dropping. I am willing to bet you owe more on the property that is is worth. Because of this - it can cost the lender $40k plus in fees to foreclose on a home. Why would a lender put something into something that is not worth it? This is the most likely reason why nothing is happening. When the value returns and banks can sell the properties for a profit. That is most like when when a foreclosure takes place.

Sorry to disappoint you - you not paying in almost two years, it doesn't break any records. I work with people that are behind 60 months and still living in the home.

Next - I want you to understand there is a difference between the states on how property's are foreclosed upon. Some states are Judicial, which the Lender has to go through the court system. Which can average 12 to 18 months before a home is sold and person is evicted. Where non Judicial states - if the homeowner misses only four payments, on the 1st day of the fifth month the sheriff is posting a trustee notice to evict. In either case - the value vs the loan amount is the major on how fast a Lender moves.

Lets me work on what you gave me so far - you have a 1st and 2nd mortgage on a property that you no longer want - in another state.

One of my first questions is who is your lender(s) (certain Lenders are easier to work with). Next what is the value? You need to determine how much up side down you are. Again the value determines how fast a Lender is going to work. Living where you are now - what is your financial situation like? The point of all this is to determine if you qualify for a Deed in Lieu. This can to allow you to walk away from the property free and clear.

The reason why I am mentioning a Deed in Lieu - you have a ready tried a short sale and it has not sold. They are great in a selling economy, right now they are a waste of time. Why, after three months a property can continue into foreclosure. You your case nothing has happened, but right now the ball is in your Lenders court. When they want to, it is up to them to foreclose on your home. A short sale others no protection - but if the home does sell this is the cheapest way to go.

Something really important - having a Foreclosure on a credit report can last for up to 10 years. It will put you so far into a hole, no one is going to help you. Right now your credit is last priority, I can tell you later on what to do get your score up quicker.

When you go through a Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure - two things happen at the same time. A loan modification is attempted to show you can no longer afford the property. Also a short sale will be attempted to sell the property. It is hard to do and you own, the best results are working through a mortgage attorney.

Here's two examples -

Recently we tried a Deed in Lieu for a family in Illinois - where a father cosigned for his daughter, using their income and expenses. They were looking to walk away from the property. On paper it showed they could not afford the payment. After the fact it - the bank had information the Grandfather was living there (that was not disclosed earlier with us). Using his SS income, the bank said there was enough income to support a loan modification. They ended up with doing a loan modification with a lower payment.

Another case concerning a Deed in Lieu - parents living in Georgia, cosigned for their son's home in New Jersey. Their son lost his job, the wife wasn't working and they had two children. Behind 8 months on the mortgage, there was a divorce and the son moved back to Georgia. It was proved there was no income to support the loan, and a deed in lieu was granted.

If your goal is to walking away free and clear, this...



.... have some clients coming into the office - will try to get back to this later...........



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Old 08-27-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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One of my first questions is who is your lender(s) (certain Lenders are easier to work with). Next what is the value? You need to determine how much up side down you are. Again the value determines how fast a Lender is going to work. Living where you are now - what is your financial situation like? The point of all this is to determine if you qualify for a Deed in Lieu. This can to allow you to walk away from the property free and clear.

The reason why I am mentioning a Deed in Lieu - you have a ready tried a short sale and it has not sold. They are great in a selling economy, right now they are a waste of time. Why, after three months a property can continue into foreclosure. You your case nothing has happened, but right now the ball is in your Lenders court. When they want to, it is up to them to foreclose on your home. A short sale others no protection - but if the home does sell this is the cheapest way to go.
They were very recently changed again, but right now Bank of America has 80k of it, and Ocwen has about 20k

I actually haven't tried to short sale.. I was referring to other houses on our block that have tried and failed. I was under the impression for a Deed in Lieu you had to be living in the house? I very well could be mistaken on that one.

Financially right now we're stable. In debt, nothing in savings, living a little too paycheck by paycheck than I'd like, but we're alright.

Thank you for the information - I do hope you get the chance to finish what you were saying.
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