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I see what you're saying, and love the Goodfellas reference, as it's one of my favorite movies. But bringing together that many household names under one film to help put the final piece to the puzzle of a 10-year story, is definitely a pioneer move. Marvel and Disney were the first two companies that sat down, mulled over a giant list of superheroes, made their own stories with these existing characters, and had a goal, and a vision: to make multiple films that had a main story line, with a side story that helped tie each movie into each other, to create one giant arc. Literally every Marvel movie from Iron Man to Spider-Man: Far From Home, connects to each film that was released from 2008 - 2019. No other studio has been able to have that many actors and actresses under not one, but two films, that were meant to be strung together into one long film.
How you can denounce that simply because of CGI fights and Marvel being "boring," is beyond me. That definitely counts. Marvel and Disney took what film studios did in the past for superhero films and raised the bar. They created a standard; one that WB tried to half ass and failed miserably from it. Marvel Studios set a bar for how special effects should be done. They allowed their actors to perform their own stunts, and gave them more freedom with it versus any other studio. (Chadwick Boseman said this himself, as he was astonished with how much they allowed him to do, versus other studios limiting his own stunts.) Disney mastered digitally de-aging actors and set a standard for that as well. No other film company has nailed it like them. As I said before, Scorsese used it for The Irishman. We fell in love with these actors and they people they played. RDJ will always be Iron Man. Chris Evans will always be Captain America. They have left a huge impact on the franchise, and no one will ever be able to fill their shoes, at least for now. End Game was a grand finale and then some. So of course it was going to have one hell of a final battle; I wouldn't expect anything else. I guarantee you people will be talking about a lost of those films years to come. And Captain America: The Winter Solider, can definitely rival The Dark Knight Rises, which looking back at it now, was the best one in the trilogy.
First one was decent, and TDKR was crap. Christopher Nolan is obsessed with realism and not fantasy. So instead of picking one of the many other Batman villains that could actually exist in our world, he chose to take a Mexican luchador who was a victim of an experiment and had tubes surgically put into his body, fill it with the venom serum, and when activated, Bane goes from a 6 ft man, to a giant, almost 8 ft tall, jacked up killing machine. Instead we got some scrawny bull****, well spoken person that isn't remotely close to Bane's mannerisms (wasn't even Mexican either), that had a stupid mask that helped him breathe in a "special serum." What a joke. Even Tom Hardy said he was embarrassed and disappointed with how Bane was portrayed.
Avengers Endgame was one of the most boring and the worst Marvel movie to me. The story was bad, movie was way too long and had way too many characters.
I guarantee you people will be talking about a lost of those films years to come. And Captain America: The Winter Solider, can definitely rival The Dark Knight Rises, which looking back at it now, was the best one in the trilogy.
Winter Soldier has a 7.8 rating on IMDB and received one Oscar nomination for Best Visual Effects.
The Dark Knight has a 9.0 rating on IMDB and received 8 Oscar nominations, including two wins.
For some reason, I don't think these movies will be mentioned in the same breath. No superhero movie has ever received as much critical acclaim as TDK.
Honestly, I'd put "Into the Spiderverse" above any MCU film.
Avengers Endgame was one of the most boring and the worst Marvel movie to me. The story was bad, movie was way too long and had way too many characters.
But not if you're a super fan. That poster can't separate his super fandom from his evaluation of the MCU's technical merits.
I'm not a big comic fan but accepted an invitation to see "Into the Spiderverse" anyway. Totally. Blown. Away. Everything about the movie was different and totally creative.
I also went to see Black Panther "for the culture." Good, solid movie. The pacing was very good IMO.
I saw "Infinity War" after that. I was nearly falling asleep. This is the type of movie I probably would have appreciated more in elementary school.
The problem is that for decades the conflict in super hero comics always devolves into good guys punching bad guys. It's still a staple of the genre. And there's not necessarily anything wrong with that when it's done well. But can we not start thinking out the box at times?
The AVENGERS movies have actually been the worst examples of this, particularly the second one. They have a sentient robot who could supposedly transfer his consciousness instantly just as any computer could do. The Avengers solution? Give chase and start punching!
I don't object to super hero movies being fun. They should be fun. But do they have to consistently be so dumb?
What did you think of Black Panther? I thought it was the best of the lot. I thought it did a good job of marrying some of the gravitas Nolan's films were known for with some of the light-hearted fun Marvel movies are generally known for.
I find the MCU to be annoying because the films have no gravitas at all. They are the complete opposite of TDK. Civil War is a whole bunch of characters in a WWE battle royale at an airport (WTF?) while they talk to each other and crack corny jokes. Imagine Batman fighting Bane in the TDKR and Batman saying, "Ha! Too slow, slow mo!" Yeah, they were talking during that fighting sequence, but the talking was totally badass. "Ah, you think the daaaarkness is your ally?"
Black Panther, I thought, had some emotional elements we didn't see in other Marvel films. Like T'Challa getting totally humiliated in front of his people. Or Killmonger talking to his father in the "Ancestral Plain" and saying, "Yeah, that's just how life is around here." I thought Killmonger's final line was powerful as well: "Just bury me in the ocean with my ancestors. They knew death was better than bondage."
IMO this is the best scene in any Marvel movie. IS THIS YOUR KING?????
Ugh. I cannot believe that some people actually think that Endgame was some sort of game-changing film.
Heck, Wonder Woman and Black Panther were actually game changing, in the sense that they once and for all proved that a superhero movie did not have to star a white man to be a gigantic worldwide hit. They both changed the game because, in this golden age of superhero cinema (yes, CINEMA; **** you, Mr. Scorsese), WW and BP have ushered in a more diverse palette of superhero film. If it had not been for BP and WW, we would not have gotten/we would not be getting Captain Marvel, Birds of Prey, Black Widow, and Shang-Chi, all of which will continue leading the way for more and more diversity in superhero films and blockbuster filmmaking in general. Endgame was just an entertaining final chapter to a long-in-the-making superhero saga, and its overall impact begins and ends with "Damn! Look at those set pieces! Wow, look at those special effects! Damn, that looks cool."
None of that is game-changing when we have had a ton of films to which we could apply all of those, from The Matrix, to T2 to Avatar, to Death Becomes Her, to Titanic, etc
None of that is game-changing when we have had a ton of films to which we could apply all of those, from The Matrix, to T2 to Avatar, to Death Becomes Her, to Titanic, etc
Here's an article on how The Matrix was, indeed, game-changing.
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Like Neo’s famous line, The Matrix was a movie that made us go “whoooa!â€. It blew our minds back in 1999 upon initial release, and to this day remains an entertaining and impressive example of action filmmaking. What made The Matrix stand out 20 years ago and what makes it stand out still today are the film’s many innovations. This was a project which not only exhibited cutting edge filmmaking technology and techniques, but introduced mainstream audiences to concepts and ideas they hadn’t seen before in a big-budget R-rated action movie. In many ways, The Matrix ushered in a new era of filmmaking, an era which saw benefit to filmmakers in utilizing improving technology to achieve their creative visions and satisfy diversifying audience expectations.
During a pivotal scene in the movie, they are chasing Ultron through the streets, and yes, he and Cap get into a fistfight on a speeding truck. With a sentient robot. It's dumb.
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Also, I suggest you watch Logan, and try and tell me they're all the same. Or Deadpool 1 & 2.
I never said "all." I said "many" and stand by that. And yes, I LOVED Logan. I'd number in my Top 3 all-time favorite super hero movies. It is an example of how to do a smart super hero movie that is stays true to the character.
Deadpool? Eh. I saw the first one. Hated it. Locker room / wedgie humor just ain't my thing. Deadpool was a movie for 12 year olds.
I liked it a lot. But I didn't love it. Definitely a fun and beautiful movie, but I thought they had a chance to do a really interesting complex villain, and instead they settled for another thug. Disappointing.
I'll say one more thing: for a franchise that's been around for more than a decade and has over 40 movies and TV shows, there are almost no iconic lines from any of them. I can't think of any iconic scenes either. Black Panther's "Is That Your King?" line is probably the most memorable since it's often used in memes. And "iconic" doesn't mean "great" or "awesome." "Iconic" is something that finds its away into popular culture and is known by people who've had little or no exposure to the source material. For example, everyone knows the scene where Indiana Jones is running from a boulder, and most people on the street could probably hum the theme song.
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