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Old 08-08-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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Wikimedia, the non-profit organisation behind Wikipedia, has refused a photographer’s repeated requests to stop distributing his most famous shot for free – because a monkey pressed the shutter button and should own the copyright

Wikipedia refuses to delete photo as 'monkey owns it' - Telegraph
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:47 PM
 
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The photographer owns it as it was his camera that was used. When you give your phone to someone else and ask him/her to take a picture of you for you, is that picture rightfully his/hers?

Besides, even if the monkey owned it, what permission has the monkey expressed to post it online?
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Candy Kingdom
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That monkey takes some good selfies! She should teach me, LOL.

Hmmm, I'd say the monkey and Slater co-author it... but as far as I'm aware, the monkey has no legal standing, so I would say it's Slater's picture.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:26 PM
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The human made the photo possible and has the legal standing of ownership. Animals cannot legally own anything. Let the man have his picture.
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:14 AM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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Maybe said monkey wants bananas for royalties.
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Old 08-11-2014, 05:24 PM
 
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Wikimedia, the non-profit organisation behind Wikipedia, has refused a photographer’s repeated requests to stop distributing his most famous shot for free – because a monkey pressed the shutter button and should own the copyright

Wikipedia refuses to delete photo as 'monkey owns it' - Telegraph
Let's keep in mind that this is not the photographer's famous shot--photographers make their own photographs, like painters make their own paintings. It was certainly made with the photographer's camera, but the photographer admits that this was not even set up--the clever monkey stole his camera and took dozens of photos.

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The photographer owns it as it was his camera that was used. When you give your phone to someone else and ask him/her to take a picture of you for you, is that picture rightfully his/hers?

Besides, even if the monkey owned it, what permission has the monkey expressed to post it online?
Copyright actually belongs to the person who created an artwork, not to a person who owns the equipment on which it was created. Copyright does not protect physical property, but ideas--intangible property. I don't think you can make an argument that the photographer is expressing any ideas in this photo. The photographer did not take the photograph.

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That monkey takes some good selfies! She should teach me, LOL.

Hmmm, I'd say the monkey and Slater co-author it... but as far as I'm aware, the monkey has no legal standing, so I would say it's Slater's picture.
Slater didn't author anything, and chose to distribute an image for which he has no copyright (no one has a copyright for this image). I am 100% with Wikimedia on this one. Slater is trying to make a living off of a monkey stealing and using his camera. He could have chosen not to distribute the image digitally and sold prints to protect his right to the information on his equipment, but he can't distribute the image digitally and prevent people from copying it without a valid copyright. It does not matter how much he spent on the equipment or the trip, what matters is whether he made the image. He did not.

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The human made the photo possible and has the legal standing of ownership. Animals cannot legally own anything. Let the man have his picture.
The human had the legal ownership of the camera itself, and had control over the information on the camera. By distributing the image, he relinquished that control, and has no copyright in the image. It's just not his picture.
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