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Old 03-25-2011, 06:04 AM
 
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Yes, but you lose that freedom to go to private schools when you are crippled by property taxes for public schools.
Exactly. Towns should give parents a property tax discount when children are sent to private schools.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:02 AM
 
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and what about those of us who have no children? Should I get a break as well? I pay $5,600 a year for taxes on a 2 bedroom 1100 sq. ft condo.

If you take the taxes away or give breaks to those that are not utilizing the schools, the lost revenu will hurt every other child whose family can not afford to spend $30,000 a year on a private education...and the schools that are performing well will decline because they will not have the funds to continue to provide the level of education that they are currently providing.

I am all for making things better, but I fail to see how taking money away from the schools that are educating our countries future will help us.

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Exactly. Towns should give parents a property tax discount when children are sent to private schools.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:13 AM
 
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How about this:

-Change the constitution to eliminate all state funding for schools.

-Repeal the income tax that was only enacted to pay for schools.

-Change the laws so that a "no" vote on a school budget actually means no and put the power back in the hands of the locals.

-Give the towns and school boards the tools they need to effect real cost savings in their districts.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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and what about those of us who have no children? Should I get a break as well? I pay $5,600 a year for taxes on a 2 bedroom 1100 sq. ft condo.

If you take the taxes away or give breaks to those that are not utilizing the schools, the lost revenu will hurt every other child whose family can not afford to spend $30,000 a year on a private education...and the schools that are performing well will decline because they will not have the funds to continue to provide the level of education that they are currently providing.

I am all for making things better, but I fail to see how taking money away from the schools that are educating our countries future will help us.
It doesn't cost 30,000 to go to all private schools. Just the ones with the facilities made of gold.

But yes, I think if people don't have children in the schools they should get some sort of tax break, along with people who have children but don't use the schools. In other words, while we should all chip in as a society for education, I do think if you are actually using the schools you should pay more.

It would be interesting to see how many families would take the credit and go private.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:47 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Yes, but you lose that freedom to go to private schools when you are crippled by property taxes for public schools.
if property taxes are crippling someone, they should move. or rent. people have options. i know it's not easy to pick up and go. but that's what people did in northeast pa if they wanted their kids to go to a better public school, they moved. or, they paid their property taxes and sent their kids to a parochial school or other private school.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: NJ
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can you name me a single person in america that doesn't pay for public education?
im sure some people end up not technically paying but thats not my point.

there is a difference between paying taxes and then those taxes going through the government who in turn uses it to pay for things for you and you actually writing a check to the service provider. thats what im talking about.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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if property taxes are crippling someone, they should move. or rent. people have options. i know it's not easy to pick up and go. but that's what people did in northeast pa if they wanted their kids to go to a better public school, they moved. or, they paid their property taxes and sent their kids to a parochial school or other private school.
Property taxes are out of control, on top of a state income tax and a state sales tax. And a billion other taxes.

It's one things to say society should contribute to education, but what is going in NJ is over the top now.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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It doesn't cost 30,000 to go to all private schools. Just the ones with the facilities made of gold.

But yes, I think if people don't have children in the schools they should get some sort of tax break, along with people who have children but don't use the schools. In other words, while we should all chip in as a society for education, I do think if you are actually using the schools you should pay more.
It would be interesting to see how many families would take the credit and go private.
this would cripple the entire structure of the system, as it's currently designed. i understand the logic behind what you're saying, but people are forgetting that every western country operates with the principles that an educated population makes our economy better, improves all of us as a whole, and truly contributes to advancing society forward. this is a neccessity for society to continue moving forward and compete within the global economy.

in the most recent recession, tech companies like Oracle, Google, and Microsoft were hiring like crazy, but they were hiring folks from India and China because the U.S. population doesn't have the education and skills they needed. This is a major problem, and reflects are losses in math and science compared to the rest of the world.

NJ has a lot amazing public schools. It amazes me that so many folks here don't realize that even your "average" and some "below average" schools offer far more than many other states offer their children.

maybe only people who vote for wars should pay for the military?
maybe only people who drive on the roads should pay for maintenance of interstates?
do you realize what costs to individuals would be? i don't want to sound like i'm for equal spread of costs across everyone, purely socialistic. but it's not reasonable to expect people to be part of a society, a society that works towards common goals through democracy, yet only individuals contribute to their individual goals. it doesn't work to achieve the goals of the society.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: NJ
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this would cripple the entire structure of the system, as it's currently designed. i understand the logic behind what you're saying, but people are forgetting that every western country operates with the principles that an educated population makes our economy better, improves all of us as a whole, and truly contributes to advancing society forward. this is a neccessity for society to continue moving forward and compete within the global economy.

in the most recent recession, tech companies like Oracle, Google, and Microsoft were hiring like crazy, but they were hiring folks from India and China because the U.S. population doesn't have the education and skills they needed. This is a major problem, and reflects are losses in math and science compared to the rest of the world.

NJ has a lot amazing public schools. It amazes me that so many folks here don't realize that even your "average" and some "below average" schools offer far more than many other states offer their children.

maybe only people who vote for wars should pay for the military?
maybe only people who drive on the roads should pay for maintenance of interstates?
do you realize what costs to individuals would be? i don't want to sound like i'm for equal spread of costs across everyone, purely socialistic. but it's not reasonable to expect people to be part of a society, a society that works towards common goals through democracy, yet only individuals contribute to their individual goals. it doesn't work to achieve the goals of the society.
They should split the amount in to two parts. Part 1 is the amount that covers the general infrastructure of the school system and part 2 covers the incremental cost for each child. Everyone pays part 1. Let people take the part 2 and apply it to private school if someone wants.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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im sure some people end up not technically paying but thats not my point.

there is a difference between paying taxes and then those taxes going through the government who in turn uses it to pay for things for you and you actually writing a check to the service provider. thats what im talking about.
if someone isn't smart enough to realize their local school property taxes are payment for their kids' education...that's not my problem to fix. making them send a check to a different address isn't going to fix the issue. at least i don't think so.
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