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Old 05-28-2011, 02:41 AM
 
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I just received word of a Sierra Club proposal to upgrade the Delaware Water Gap from a National Recreation Area to a National Park. What do you all think?

(Sorry I the attachment that was e-mailed to me was too large to be posted as an attachment)
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:27 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default No thank you!

Fed regulatory czar allowed to impose new regs in national parks which overide existing traditional uses.

Current reg czar is from another planet and allowed to run at will.

Land out of state control.

Ban hunting and fishing if not outright then by limiting it to specific 'safe' locations that will no longer support game and thus end hunting while be able to say the right to hunt will be protected.

Reg czar Sunstein who wants your dog to have legal representation and promotes everyone become a vegetarian has already begun a campaign to end hunting and fishing. A national park has now become the vehicle the current government needs to take more control of your lives to make you safer and happier.

The government shuts down and no one is allowed in the 'park'.

The commie beestard formerly known as the green jobs czar who was kicked out after it became widespread knowledge he was a self avowed commie. He is now proudly working in an unofficial capacity supporting Sunstein's philosophy as he tries to gain legal representation for the earth, trees and rocks. Wouldn't be the first time a noble cause has been used to intoduce a nefarious agenda.

There is also a little know legal issue where public land purchased with certain monies precludes the privelege to hunt. It so happens much of that public land has been purchased with a scattering or funding sources. Someone tried to get the state to enforce that hunting ban on a tiny parcel mixed in among the hunting zone but the state refused to enforce it. So the complaintant went to the feds as it was their rule. Posters may have been put up since. This is the dangling thread that gets no attention but becomes the weave of the cloth.

Keep the feds far, far, far away from NJ.

Look up how much land the feds own in each state and you will be shocked. A simple query of 'state land owned by the feds' should get you started. One of those links has a nice comprehensive chart.

State park, national park, state forest, national forest are all unique legal terms with current traditional uses that are subject to regulatory change by a distant federal government in a local region with unique traditional values. A one size fits all mentality means disaster.

Tell me where is the money going that is being collected from the new salt water fishing license imposed by the feds? don't give me the company line, follow the money and tell me its ultimate disposition.

A national park will have entry and usage fees that will end up where? If you build you have to maintain it. Imagine all the facilities the feds regs would have to require for saftey and social justice. guess who now has to pay to that extravagance, the state.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Great Idea , the Pine Barrens should also become a National Forest.
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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The way Christie deals with the feds, no thanks. They'll send us a bill for billions. On the other hand if a different administration was in it might be food for thought.
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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The Feds have been trying to mess up the area around Valley Forge National Park for years now, why give them an opportunity in NJ? Make it a national park and they'd try to close 611 and most other roads therough the park and prevent all improvement to I-80.
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:28 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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The Feds have been trying to mess up the area around Valley Forge National Park for years now, why give them an opportunity in NJ? Make it a national park and they'd try to close 611 and most other roads therough the park and prevent all improvement to I-80.
LOL , i doubt that they'll do that , or that there trying to mess up Valley Forge.... Why would they close the roads going through the park , there are alot of roads through National parks Interstate and US....there not closed. And enhancements are allowed , but they do take longer...
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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LOL , i doubt that they'll do that , or that there trying to mess up Valley Forge.... Why would they close the roads going through the park , there are alot of roads through National parks Interstate and US....there not closed. And enhancements are allowed , but they do take longer...
They've been trying to close both Gulph Road (not North Gulph Road) and Rt 23 through the park for years, and they've held up improvements to North Gulph Road at the park boundary. Their ideas for Rt 23 are comical; they suggest improving Pawlings Road (a residential two-laner with a 10-foot clearance railway bridge) and building a ramp from there to US 422, and thus routing all the traffic between KOP and Phoenixville on the already jam-packed 422.

Gulph Road is an interesting case. For years PennDOT has wanted to rebuild the old Betzwood Bridge (right next to RT 422) taking North Gulph Road to Route 363. This would relieve a lot of local traffic on the 422 bridge. The park commission has promised to study the idea, and then just delayed and delayed. So then the park commission goes to PennDOT asking to close Gulph Road. PennDOTs response? They'll study the idea.

I'd expect that if the Delaware Water Gap were to be made a national park, the same mentality would prevail. That's why the Sierra Club wants to do it, after all; they want to stop development there.
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Old 05-28-2011, 12:09 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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They've been trying to close both Gulph Road (not North Gulph Road) and Rt 23 through the park for years, and they've held up improvements to North Gulph Road at the park boundary. Their ideas for Rt 23 are comical; they suggest improving Pawlings Road (a residential two-laner with a 10-foot clearance railway bridge) and building a ramp from there to US 422, and thus routing all the traffic between KOP and Phoenixville on the already jam-packed 422.

Gulph Road is an interesting case. For years PennDOT has wanted to rebuild the old Betzwood Bridge (right next to RT 422) taking North Gulph Road to Route 363. This would relieve a lot of local traffic on the 422 bridge. The park commission has promised to study the idea, and then just delayed and delayed. So then the park commission goes to PennDOT asking to close Gulph Road. PennDOTs response? They'll study the idea.

I'd expect that if the Delaware Water Gap were to be made a national park, the same mentality would prevail. That's why the Sierra Club wants to do it, after all; they want to stop development there.
Well i don't want Developers to develop there its perfect the way it is. They can Develop outside the State park but not in it. The Sierra Club is trying to strike a balance in this region....sometimes there ideas are wacky but not this one. I don't think the locals want alot of Development going up....nor do they want the increase in population.
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Old 05-28-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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They've been trying to close both Gulph Road (not North Gulph Road) and Rt 23 through the park for years, and they've held up improvements to North Gulph Road at the park boundary. Their ideas for Rt 23 are comical; they suggest improving Pawlings Road (a residential two-laner with a 10-foot clearance railway bridge) and building a ramp from there to US 422, and thus routing all the traffic between KOP and Phoenixville on the already jam-packed 422.

Gulph Road is an interesting case. For years PennDOT has wanted to rebuild the old Betzwood Bridge (right next to RT 422) taking North Gulph Road to Route 363. This would relieve a lot of local traffic on the 422 bridge. The park commission has promised to study the idea, and then just delayed and delayed. So then the park commission goes to PennDOT asking to close Gulph Road. PennDOTs response? They'll study the idea.

I'd expect that if the Delaware Water Gap were to be made a national park, the same mentality would prevail. That's why the Sierra Club wants to do it, after all; they want to stop development there.
national park= FAIL you kill rte 23 then the 139 suffers and car traffic increases.
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Old 05-29-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Check out Maine for another Fed land grab where they present a national park as as move to save the great north woods. Lot of land to take out of state control. Bureaucrats in DC decide what uses the park can have, access and forget traditional usess. All rules subject to change at any moment to further political agendas.

We don't need or want to Feds anywhere near NJ.

Read about more of the Feds poisoning native trout streams to save the trout.

Coyote snaring prohibited in Maine to save the Canadian Lynx while yotes are tearing up the deer herd. Turns out across the border in Canada there are plenty of lynx. They turn up in Maine as it is the very southern end of their range. So the wise feds restrict activity in the state of Maine to 'save' the endangered lynx which is not endangered.


Same story with salmon where genetics show almost no pure strains yet many eastern rivers declared salmon worthy are imposed with land use and fishing restrictions to 'save' the salmon.

If Cass Sunstein has his way writers will have to stop referencing animals in a sentence with "who" instead of "which".
A foot in the door of Nj and a rogue EPA or other federal agency attempt to act on pseudo science and political pressure to change the rules on 'their' land in 'your state'.

"The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) is considering placing the American pika, a relative of the rabbit, on the Endangered Species List. The listing would represent a dramatic expansion of the Endangered Species Act (ESA) by linking such listings to concerns over climate change"

A who's who of Obama czars with power to bypass the legislature with regulatory changes.

"Lisa Jackson was named Director of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The former head of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, Jackson is a seasoned opponent of hunting and demonstrated her bias by discarding the state’s black bear management plan in 2006.
Meanwhile, the head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), former Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, could pose untold threats to sportsmen and wildlife management.
A committed animal rights supporter, Sunstein has written in favor of “allowing suits on behalf of animals” and that “we might ban hunting altogether.” He also edited a 2004 book titled, Animal Rights: Current Debates and New Directions, which compiled cutting edge legal arguments regarding the animal rights movement.
As the head of OIRA, Sunstein will be in position to block federal rules before they are ever made public"

Stuff the trains to nowhere and the federal land grab.
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