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treatment works well with many people, by giving them enough time to sober up and to get all of the necessary tools to change. its up to the client to keep that up when they return home. which they usually dont.
damn, christie doesn't take anything lightly does he?
Oh, hardy hardy hardy hahaha. Seriously, do you have nothing to critique beyond the mans weight? The governor is; fat, obese, rotund, abdominous, plump, pudgy, tubby, porcine, portly, stout, tubbylumpkins, economy sized, sausage boy, lard butt, adipose, corpulent, fleshy, blubbery, hefty, hulking, etc. We get it. You really need to do the old Austin Powers schtick and get it out of your system, you know...moley, moley, moley...just do it with fat.
The government should not be in the business of telling citizens what chemicals they can or cannot put into their bodies. Since alcohol is legal just make everything legal right across the board; heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc. Tax it, regulate it and put it on the market. Why should alcoholics exclusively have the pleasure of their drug of choice being legal. Of course, not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic just as not everyone who uses other drugs is necessarily an addict.
It would be very interesting to see what would happen to all of these cartels who import the drugs when the drugs become legal. And even more interesting would be to see what becomes of all of the street level thugs and gangbangers when their customers could go to CVS or Walgreens and get a bag of heroin with no rat poison in it. Prohibition of alcohol was a dismal failure. The current prohibition of drugs is also a dismal failure. Human beings like to alter their states of consciousness, we have been doing it for thousands of years. Although I would not use heroin and I would educate my children not to, who are we to tell Mr. and Ms. Jon Doe that he or she cannot.
I agree. The irony is that millions of people use tranquilizers, anti-depressants, pain killers, sleeping pill, alcohol, all legal, on a daily basis.
Keith Richards often said he didn't have a drug problem, he had a police problem. Now Keith is a country squire millionaire enjoying the grandkids after years of prodigious illegal drug use.
To think a substance is evil until a doctor's signature on a prescription pad makes it "medicine" that is good for you, is mind boggling.
I wish all the people vehemently in favor of the present drug laws could spend a year in the shoes of an incarcerated non-violent drug user, and all those vehemently in favor of military action could spend a year at the front lines being shot at.
Whether or not they survived their year experiencing what they have been in favor of, I think it would be a very different world for all of us.
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Originally Posted by El Dakar
The government should not be in the business of telling citizens what chemicals they can or cannot put into their bodies. Since alcohol is legal just make everything legal right across the board; heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc. Tax it, regulate it and put it on the market. Why should alcoholics exclusively have the pleasure of their drug of choice being legal. Of course, not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic just as not everyone who uses other drugs is necessarily an addict.
It would be very interesting to see what would happen to all of these cartels who import the drugs when the drugs become legal. And even more interesting would be to see what becomes of all of the street level thugs and gangbangers when their customers could go to CVS or Walgreens and get a bag of heroin with no rat poison in it. Prohibition of alcohol was a dismal failure. The current prohibition of drugs is also a dismal failure. Human beings like to alter their states of consciousness, we have been doing it for thousands of years. Although I would not use heroin and I would educate my children not to, who are we to tell Mr. and Ms. Jon Doe that he or she cannot.
Does prison work any better? It costs much much more than treatment.
prison works 100% for keeping criminals away from civilized people. however, in the case of people only guilty of possession of drugs, i dont really need to keep them away from society so i wouldnt support that. i dont see the point in paying for their treatment either, so id just give them a slap on the wrist (or no punishment or arrest) and send them on their way.
prison works 100% for keeping criminals away from civilized people. however, in the case of people only guilty of possession of drugs, i dont really need to keep them away from society so i wouldnt support that. i dont see the point in paying for their treatment either, so idjust give them a slap on the wrist (or no punishment or arrest) and send them on their way.
What is a "slap on the wrist (or no punishment or arrest)" exactly? A fine they are unable to pay? What happens when they don't pay it? Bench warrant & imprisonment?
Your "I don't want my tax money to pay for anyone's anything, anytime, ever" mantra seems to get in the way of your logic & reason. I don't live in your town. I don't want a single cent of my state tax money to pay for the maintenance of your roads.
I don't have children. I don't want ANY of the children in my town to become educated on my dime.
I infrequently use NJ Transit. I don't want this state to have a comprehensive transportation system because it doesn't directly effect me.
Do you see how shortsighted this type of stance can become to the greater environment is which you exist?
What is a "slap on the wrist (or no punishment or arrest)" exactly? A fine they are unable to pay? What happens when they don't pay it? Bench warrant & imprisonment?
Your "I don't want my tax money to pay for anyone's anything, anytime, ever" mantra seems to get in the way of your logic & reason. I don't live in your town. I don't want a single cent of my state tax money to pay for the maintenance of your roads.
I don't have children. I don't want ANY of the children in my town to become educated on my dime.
I infrequently use NJ Transit. I don't want this state to have a comprehensive transportation system because it doesn't directly effect me.
Do you see how shortsighted this type of stance can become to the greater environment is which you exist?
im not sure what point you are trying to make. sure, a fine is a slap on the wrist. if they cant pay it? i guess you garnish wages, put a lien on property, charge late fees, etc. etc. its not like giving people fines is a new idea im proposing here. the government does it to tons of people and they have a system of collecting or dealing with non-payment. why are you asking me to invent a new system?
i think a system where people pay for the services they use is a good system. im not sure how this question is relevant to this thread. you dont like that i dont think taxpayers should pay for the treatment of drug addicts? im not changing that position and your little examples are different from that, different from each other and not necessarily accurate to my beliefs.
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