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Old 03-11-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Yes, this the Mt. Laurel decision, which is constantly being re-interpreted by the courts
Developers like it because it's a way to push developments in

I didn't read the article carefully but I think a lot of towns are getting in a jam because the original units built 25 years ago have gone out of the system now (25 year restricted deeds)
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Old 03-24-2018, 04:44 PM
 
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Really disgusting way to destroy many towns.The roads can't handle more traffic, the schools can't handle more kids and parking is a serious problem.Now towns are forced to allow more units to be built...the developer can state the town does not have enough affordable units and add 10 affordable and 90 regular rent.Picture North Jersey in 5 years...gridlock worse than ever.
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Old 03-24-2018, 06:13 PM
 
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Amazing that no one sees that affordable housing is a combination of tyranny and price fixing. How is it that we allow the State to order private citizens to build housing for someone at a below market cost? How is it that we allow this sort of social engineering in a free country? No one is entitled to housing, or should expect it to be provided to them at any particular price. It's utterly absurd.
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Old 03-24-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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Amazing that no one sees that affordable housing is a combination of tyranny and price fixing. How is it that we allow the State to order private citizens to build housing for someone at a below market cost? How is it that we allow this sort of social engineering in a free country? No one is entitled to housing, or should expect it to be provided to them at any particular price. It's utterly absurd.
Because we socially engineered the underclass in the first place.
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Old 03-24-2018, 11:36 PM
 
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Because we socially engineered the underclass in the first place.
Yes we did, by incentivizing uselessness. So let's stop that by dismantling collectivist programs that take wealth from some against their will and give it to others who didn't earn it. Let's change the victim mentality to a responsibility mentality. With respect to housing, let's teach reality: that a house is a product, that the builder sets the price and quality based on demand, and sells the house ONLY to those who can afford it and agree to his price. Let's not engineer further failure by awarding houses to those who didn't earn houses, at a price determined by freedom, aka the market.
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Old 03-25-2018, 03:25 AM
 
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Amazing that no one sees that affordable housing is a combination of tyranny and price fixing. How is it that we allow the State to order private citizens to build housing for someone at a below market cost? How is it that we allow this sort of social engineering in a free country? No one is entitled to housing, or should expect it to be provided to them at any particular price. It's utterly absurd.
We allow the state to have minimum lot sizes and other restrictive zoning rules, why is it any different for affordable housing. Are you against all zoning laws?
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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We allow the state to have minimum lot sizes and other restrictive zoning rules, why is it any different for affordable housing. Are you against all zoning laws?
I cant speak for that poster, but I am very much for zoning laws. But zoning laws are a function of the towns, not the state. The state doesnt know what’s best for the towns, only the towns do,

I thought the Mt Laurel decision was a bad decision, but allowing the towns to build the low income housing in other towns was a good compromise. Now that they are forced to build them in their own towns, it is a disaster.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:16 AM
 
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Yes we did, by incentivizing uselessness. So let's stop that by dismantling collectivist programs that take wealth from some against their will and give it to others who didn't earn it. Let's change the victim mentality to a responsibility mentality. With respect to housing, let's teach reality: that a house is a product, that the builder sets the price and quality based on demand, and sells the house ONLY to those who can afford it and agree to his price. Let's not engineer further failure by awarding houses to those who didn't earn houses, at a price determined by freedom, aka the market.
When everyone has equal opportunity to achieve wealth and success in this country, I’ll be on your page. We ain’t remotely there yet.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:20 AM
 
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I cant speak for that poster, but I am very much for zoning laws. But zoning laws are a function of the towns, not the state. The state doesnt know what’s best for the towns, only the towns do,

I thought the Mt Laurel decision was a bad decision, but allowing the towns to build the low income housing in other towns was a good compromise. Now that they are forced to build them in their own towns, it is a disaster.
A good compromise?!? That “compromise” was simply a way for the wealthy towns to continue to keep rich and poor people segregated. It completely violated the spirit of the decision.
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