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Gateway tunnel project is estimated to cost $16 billion, of which Biden administration coughed up about $7 billion so far.
Every single major transit infrastructure project in recent memory has come in vastly higher when all was said and done.
Big Dig in Boston. Second Avenue Subway in Manhattan, NYC, East Side Access for LIRR in Manhattan, NYC all came in tens of billions over estimates. So when all is said and done fully expect Gateway tunnel to cost past $20 billion.
You see these articles with people saying their are grants but then they say things like it is waiting for funding for the grants.
Grant is what has been authorized, in this case by Congress/federal government. That's fine on paper but it varies as to when a project or whoever will have access/get funds.
It's like being approved for a "grant" to study something at university level. You get a notice that indeed you've been approved, but then must wait for a check or money actually deposited into your bank account.
Estimated to cost 16 billion and when work begins that will at least double, as will the time to complete.
Reason CC stopped it.
Another boondoggle like the CA light rail to nowhere and the Big Dig in Boston. Taxpayers take the hit.
Not everyone wants to go to NYC.
Has nothing to do with whether or not anyone wants to go to NYC who doesn't go now. Right now, today, we know a certain volume of train traffic exists that uses train tunnels built over 100 years ago that are in danger of failing.
Look at the plan. Do you understand why the first section of the new tunnel begins near the existing Bergen Tunnel but runs through the Palisades 4 miles down to Hoboken instead of being built adjacent to the existing tunnels?
It's because the existing tunnels are too fragile to withstand the vibrations from the boring machine. That's a little scary. I took a train into NY Penn with a coworker who was on the original ARC project. He says a prayer and holds his breath whenever he is in the existing tunnels, because he knows how bad they are.
And yes, costs are likely to rise as in any construction project, especially highway construction. But this is an essential project as NYC region only has two crumbling tunnels that are more than 100 year old connecting it to the US continent. Tis situation show the pathetic state of US infrastructure.
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Reason CC stopped it.
The main reason CC stopped is political pondering. He did not want to raise gas taxes to pay for critical construction projects before his reelection. Of course after he was reelected, he promptly raised gas taxes.
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Another boondoggle like the CA light rail to nowhere and the Big Dig in Boston. Taxpayers take the hit.
Not everyone wants to go to NYC.
Yeah, OK, let's just build highways everywhere and rot in bumper to bumper traffic. Let's die in traffic accidents, make pollution worth, etc...
Maybe you like to be in your house in the boonies 24/7 but thousand of people travel to Manhattan for work and leisure. Whether you like it or not, Manhattan and downtown Brooklyn are the core of NYC tri state area, offering numerous opportunities for business and leisure. And it absolutely outrageous and dangerous that there are only two crumbling train tunnels connecting NYC to the rest of the US. The tunnels that were built with steam excavators using cut and cover method, making a huge ditch through Manhattan.
And Big Dig in Boston transformed the city, gave it a lot extra space and greenery. It was a great project for Boston although it should've included public transportation improvements.
And yes, costs are likely to rise as in any construction project, especially highway construction. But this is an essential project as NYC region only has two crumbling tunnels that are more than 100 year old connecting it to the US continent. Tis situation show the pathetic state of US infrastructure.
Yeah, OK, let's just build highways everywhere and rot in bumper to bumper traffic. Let's die in traffic accidents, make pollution worth, etc...
Maybe you like to be in your house in the boonies 24/7 but thousand of people travel to Manhattan for work and leisure. Whether you like it or not, Manhattan and downtown Brooklyn are the core of NYC tri state area, offering numerous opportunities for business and leisure. And it absolutely outrageous and dangerous that there are only two crumbling train tunnels connecting NYC to the rest of the US. The tunnels that were built with steam excavators using cut and cover method, making a huge ditch through Manhattan.
And Big Dig in Boston transformed the city, gave it a lot extra space and greenery. It was a great project for Boston although it should've included public transportation improvements.
I started listening to a podcast on The Big Dig yesterday. Its pretty interesting so far.
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