Town laws make it impossible for restaurants to open

[The Michigan Man]

Originally Posted by doc1

NJ's not known to be a very business friendly state if you look at any polls pertaining to that subject.

Too much govt involvement.

And their mismanagement costs us jobs. But hey, NJ citizens love having others tell them what they can and can't do. So they deserve it.

[MaverickDD]

Originally Posted by mike0421

These members of the planning board are unelected, yet their power is seigneurial.

Originally Posted by PompLks

These members of the planning board are unelected, yet their power is seigneurial.
Props to Mike for sending me scrambling to look up a properly used word's definition. This is the first post I've ever read on here to accomplish this!

PompLks! No link to Dictionary.com?
Seigneur Definition | Definition of Seigneur at Dictionary.com

[contachster]

[quote=PompLks;9886119]

Originally Posted by mike0421

This scenario seems more befitting of Pol Pot-era Cambodia than it does the United States of America. Well, at least maybe 1950s America.

These members of the planning board are unelected, yet their power is seigneurial.


Props to Mike for sending me scrambling to look up a properly used word's definition. This is the first post I've ever read on here to accomplish this!

You truly are quodlibetic. Posters like you make me happy and keep the threads zoetic and survigrous.

[Giantwon]

Originally Posted by mike0421

This scenario seems more befitting of Pol Pot-era Cambodia than it does the United States of America. Well, at least maybe 1950s America.

These members of the planning board are unelected, yet their power is seigneurial. This, to me, is one of the greater disadvantages of living in a state such as New Jersey, because your rights to property are incrementally reduced to the point whereby the greater good of the state is invoked to do what amounts to an end run around the Constitution.

To quote Mark Levin: "In the civil society, private property and liberty are inseparable. The individual's right to live freely and safely and pursue happiness includes the right to acquire and possess property, which represents the fruits of his own intellectual and/or physical labor. As the individual's time on earth is finite, so, too, is his labor. The illegitimate denial or diminution of his private property enslaves him to another and denies him his liberty."

You don't know what Town or for that matter county yet you can utter one of the......no I'm sorry ...."THE" most stupid statement I've read on these boards in a while,good job.

[BobKovacs]

There's something odd about that parking requirement- it truly sounds like a town that's very anti-growth, and has implemented regulations to stave off growth. Those requirements aren't something that you'll find in most towns' zoning ordinances.

As a member of the planning board in my current hometown, I take issue with some of the statements regarding the board members having so much authority/power. The planning and zoning board simply enforces the regulations that are in the zoning ordinance, which are items that any member of the community can voice an opinion on prior to them being voted into the regulations. Also, in many towns, the P&Z board doesn't actually make the final ruling on a case- they simply make recommendations to the city council (which is typically elected, not appointed), who makes the final legal ruling on a case. The P&Z board is not some omnipotent force that meets in a back room to plot the future of the world.

[wileynj]

Originally Posted by BobKovacs

There's something odd about that parking requirement- it truly sounds like a town that's very anti-growth, and has implemented regulations to stave off growth. Those requirements aren't something that you'll find in most towns' zoning ordinances.

As a member of the planning board in my current hometown, I take issue with some of the statements regarding the board members having so much authority/power. The planning and zoning board simply enforces the regulations that are in the zoning ordinance, which are items that any member of the community can voice an opinion on prior to them being voted into the regulations. Also, in many towns, the P&Z board doesn't actually make the final ruling on a case- they simply make recommendations to the city council (which is typically elected, not appointed), who makes the final legal ruling on a case. The P&Z board is not some omnipotent force that meets in a back room to plot the future of the world.

Bob... one huge difference.. you don't live in a mafia State anymore! Even the little towns in NJ are corrupt! They have the power to change the zoning requirements to suit their pals.

[BobKovacs]

Originally Posted by wileynj

Bob... one huge difference.. you don't live in a mafia State anymore! Even the little towns in NJ are corrupt! They have the power to change the zoning requirements to suit their pals.

C'mon.....they don't have the power to "change" anything- they may be able to creatively interpret the zoning regs, but they can't outright change them to suit anyone without following a prescriptive process.