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View Poll Results: Should New Mexico create its own immigration bill?
YES 57 70.37%
NO 24 29.63%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-04-2010, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Simple....National ID, no work without the ID, jail and big fines for people/businesses who employ folks without an ID and deport the noID holders.
That may work at the chicken plants but the way around that in the construction business is they set themselves up as independent sub-contractors.
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:42 PM
 
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Laws such as these often have unintended consequences. This law will further limit the civil liberties of us law-abiding citizens. I don't relish the idea of having to carry around documentation at all times proving I am a legal citizen. Maybe we should all be tatooed at birth, or have a microchip implanted under the skin providing a permanent electronic ID and a means of tracking.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water; we should go slowly with any laws that will infringe on our civil liberties.
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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I don't relish the idea of having to carry around documentation at all times proving I am a legal citizen.
Law enforcement has LONG required citizens to identify themselves when asked to by a uniformed officer (or today, some not even in uniform). Providing FALSE I.D. is a criminal offense in all jurisdictions, AFAIK. People without driver licenses will carry a similar I.D. that does not include driving privileges. People are regularly detained if they fail to provide I.D. or otherwise prove who they are.

In New Mexico, you are REQUIRED BY LAW to also have proof of insurance and a copy of the current registration in your vehicle if you are stopped for some reason.

There has been lots of discussion about the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT requiring EVERYONE to carry a national I.D.

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Old 05-04-2010, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Marlborough, MA
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There is a difference between carrying your driver's license ( proof of citizenship in Arizona, but not in New Mexico or many other states ) which gives you permission to drive, a voluntary activity, and carrying proof of citizenship at all times.

If someone is stopped while driving in AZ, and they are carrying a license from someplace other than AZ or another state which requires proof of citizenship to obtain that license, they must take extra steps regardless of citizenship/status.

I have a passport and I plan to carry that while in AZ. My husband can do the same. I guess my son will have to carry his COC and original non-US birth certificate? Just in case?
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
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Do you plan to be committing crimes in Arizona?

You will only be stopped and asked for identification if you are in violation of a law or suspected of breaking a law.

Read the bill.
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:15 PM
 
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You will only be stopped and asked for identification if you are in violation of a law or suspected of breaking a law.
Yeah and I have a piece of the Grand Canyon I can sell you.
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
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No thanks.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Marlborough, MA
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If I am pulled over for a traffic violation ( unlikely, but possible ) I do not want to take any chances, especially with my son.

Again "suspected of breaking a law" is far too vague for me to feel comfortable with.

I have read the law as well as the CYA amendment.
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Old 05-04-2010, 11:59 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Yeah and I have a piece of the Grand Canyon I can sell you.
Is it waterfront?
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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There is a difference between carrying your driver's license ( proof of citizenship in Arizona, but not in New Mexico or many other states ) which gives you permission to drive, a voluntary activity, and carrying proof of citizenship at all times.
A person walking down the sidewalk can be stopped by law enforcement and asked to provide I.D. Lacking I.D. it is a discretionary decision on the officer's part as to whether or not to detain you until your identity is proven. FALSIFYING your I.D. in such an instance is a crime.

For many years there has been a certain neighborhood in El Paso - within a short walk of the border - where people are REGULARLY challenged. It has long been a bone of contention with those who are US citizens if they happen to be stopped. I don't know if it's ever been challenged in court - but surely it has been by now.

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