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Old 02-08-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: North shore, Long Island
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It is unclear whether Blacks would be in power in Miss...just because they are the bulk of the population does not mean they have any political power. They can simply be marginalized....in NYC whites are the minority, yet who retains all the power? You think people of color are wielding any power of substance here and because they are the majority of the population it is a good place for them to live?
I somewhat agree but the people of color in New York are many. It's dozens of ethnic groups with no one voice. Even within the black residents of NYC you have Carribeans, many differnt Africans as well as traditional blacks. Whites despite our ethnic group have one voice giving us power. Blacks in DC and Atlanta realized this and those cities are mostly numbered with traditional African Americans. I would assume Mississippi would be the same. That one voice would allow them the empowerment they need to gain control. Of course this is all a hypothesis. The extreme poverty in Mississippi might be worse in a black majority state preventing them from gaining any power because the economic of feeding the family would be their priority.
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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Isn't triracial and afro latino the same thing? A person with any African heritage in Latin America is Afro-Latino. A person with only African ancestry in Latin America is probably less than 2%. Please define your meaning of Afro-Latino.

No, tri-racial and afro latino are not the same. afro latinos are latinos of predominate african ancestry not just any amount, that would be a lttle ridiculous.

Your average Dominican is afro latino because their mostly of white and black mix with some indian.
Yoir average PR is not afro latino but tri-racial with european ancestry being dominate and indian and black ancestry being pretty close to even.

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Old 02-08-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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No, tri-racial and afro latino are not the same. afro latinos are latinos of predominate african ancestry not just any amount.

Your average Dominican is afro latino because their mostly of white and black mix with some indian.
Yoir average PR is not afro latino but tri-racial with european ancestry being dominate and indian and black ancestry being pretty close to even.
Doesn't really make sense because how do you know how much African ancestry a person has. By looking at a person can be an illusion to their background. My girlfriend's brothers and sisters who have the same mother and father range from the second oldest who is clearly of African heritge w/ the exception of a very narrow nose to the 2 youngest who have hazel eyes and straight light brown hair, no visible African ancestry. They have the same parents genetically. Under your terms they are of different races. That doesn't make sense. By the way they are Dominicans.

Another example, although not Latino, Rashida Jones has no visible African heritage but her father Quincy Jones is clearly black. Is she white, black or one of your new terms that has no basis in genetics? Another example is Soledad O'brien who's mother is Cuban. Is she or her children Afro-latino or do you another name for them?

BTW, these are not attacks. I'm just trying to understand your logic.

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Old 02-08-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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Doesn't really make sense because how do you know how much African ancestry a person has. By looking at a person can be an illusion to their background. My girlfriend's brothers and sisters who have the same mother and father range from the second oldest who is clearly of African heritge w/ the exception of a very narrow nose to the 2 youngest who have hazel eyes and straight light brown hair, no visible African ancestry. They have the same parents genetically. Under your terms they are of different races. That doesn't make sense.
You can't know exactly unless you take a dna test. But what I'm saying is people of Predominate african ancestry (mulattos, blacks etc) are afro latinos, not just any amount though. because if that was the case then you would have to call 30% of white people in the U.S. afro American because that's how many whites have some african ancestry in the U.S. .
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:45 PM
 
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You can't know exactly unless you take a dna test. But what I'm saying is people of Predominate african ancestry (mulattos, blacks etc) are afro latinos, not just any amount though. because if that was the case then you would have to call 30% of white people in the U.S. afro American because that's how many whites have some african ancestry in the U.S. .
LOL! No way is it that high. 5% at tops and less than 5% of their genes are African, This is the heritage of the one drop rule.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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LOL! No way is it that high. 5% at tops and less than 5% of their genes are African, This is the heritage of the one drop rule.

yes it is around 30%, the one drop rule would include them.

http://http://www.isteve.com/2002_How_White_Are_Blacks.htm (broken link)
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Old 02-08-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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It is unclear whether Blacks would be in power in Miss...just because they are the bulk of the population does not mean they have any political power. They can simply be marginalized....in NYC whites are the minority, yet who retains all the power? You think people of color are wielding any power of substance here and because they are the majority of the population it is a good place for them to live?
People need to understand that majority and minority is not a race thing. Majority is people with economic power and mobility while minority is someone or some person with without economic power.
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:44 PM
 
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yes it is around 30%, the one drop rule would include them.

http://http://www.isteve.com/2002_How_White_Are_Blacks.htm (broken link)
That 30% are blacks in the US that have white ancestry. This is true, 1 out of every 3 blacks in the US has some white ancestry. Whites Americans who have black ancestry is no way near that unless you include those of hispanic heritage who claim to be white. My girlfriend's family considers themselves white Hispanics.
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:43 AM
 
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That 30% are blacks in the US that have white ancestry. This is true, 1 out of every 3 blacks in the US has some white ancestry. Whites Americans who have black ancestry is no way near that unless you include those of hispanic heritage who claim to be white. My girlfriend's family considers themselves white Hispanics.

Try again, around 70% of African americans have white ancestry. 30% of white people in this country do have small amounts of african ancestry and even more with native american.

http://http://www.isteve.com/2002_How_White_Are_Blacks.htm (broken link)


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It appears that 70 percent of whites have no African ancestors. Among the 30 percent who do, the black admixture is around 2.3 percent, which would be like having about three black ancestors out of those 128.
In contrast, African-Americans are much more racially mixed than European-Americans. Yet, Shriver's study shows that they are less European that was previously believed.
Earlier, cruder studies, done before direct genetic testing was feasible, suggested that African-Americans were 25 or even 30 percent white. Shriver's project is not complete, but with data from 25 sites already in, he is coming up with 17-18 percent white ancestry among African-Americans. That's the equivalent of 106 of those 128 of your ancestors from seven generations ago having been Africans and 22 Europeans.
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Old 02-09-2011, 05:47 AM
 
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Try again, around 70% of African americans have white ancestry. 30% of white people in this country do have small amounts of african ancestry and even more with native american.

http://http://www.isteve.com/2002_How_White_Are_Blacks.htm (broken link)


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It appears that 70 percent of whites have no African ancestors. Among the 30 percent who do, the black admixture is around 2.3 percent, which would be like having about three black ancestors out of those 128.
In contrast, African-Americans are much more racially mixed than European-Americans. Yet, Shriver's study shows that they are less European that was previously believed.
Earlier, cruder studies, done before direct genetic testing was feasible, suggested that African-Americans were 25 or even 30 percent white. Shriver's project is not complete, but with data from 25 sites already in, he is coming up with 17-18 percent white ancestry among African-Americans. That's the equivalent of 106 of those 128 of your ancestors from seven generations ago having been Africans and 22 Europeans.
Wouldn't you agree that 2.3% is low to almost nil? The almost 20% is the more significant number. A black person could likely track that white ancestor. At 3% that African ancestor is untraceable.
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