Privatize Lower East Side Housing Projects, Now!!! (New York, York: low crime, co-op)
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The blueprint for this idea already exists. Co-op city in the Bronx is occupant owned public housing. Is it a great place to live? No, but it is a cut above the PJ's.
Co-op city is privately managed but still needs taxpayer donations to supplement the occupant maintenance fees. From the taxpayers perspective it is a huge money hole as the occupants do not pay enough maintenance to cover building repairs and day to day ops.
I don't think Coop City is publicly owned. It's private, with public subsidies, as with all Mitchell-Lamas
Oh God, I hope one of the fine youths of the "real" LES puts a bullet in the OP's head. It's thinking like this that creates so much tension between have's and have nots. Not everyone in the projects is a pig criminal. A minority of the bunch makes it a dump for everyone. Most of those people REALLY need that housing.
Also the way the housing is designed it would take major renovations. years of neglect has really worn things down, and many "features" are not desireable to someone who wants to buy/rent at market rate. Thank god they are tough or they would have ended up like the Robert Taylor homes in Chicago, demolished.
If anyone else on this site pushes that myth, it's you. Your the first one to say how whole swaths of the city are ghettos. After comments like that, why are you so surprised people think the way they do?
If anyone else on this site pushes that myth, it's you. Your the first one to say how whole swaths of the city are ghettos. After comments like that, why are you so surprised people think the way they do?
I don't know what your beef is, his reports are pretty accurate and are not mythical.
regardless of whether you like it or not the reality is that vast swaths of the city are ghettos that are dangerous and not desirable places to go to or live in.
There are many nice parts of the city but to gloss over or ignore the truth about the bad parts is disingenuous
/\ I'm not stupid. I know there issues. But let's keep it real with the fact that many people in these hoods are good people. Also, I do feel the vast majority of the city will come back to being great places to live.
And what makes it even more a joke is the white posers like 99 and Eugene who want to keep neighborhoods ****ty.
If anyone else on this site pushes that myth, it's you. Your the first one to say how whole swaths of the city are ghettos. After comments like that, why are you so surprised people think the way they do?
Really quote me then. You know exactly what areas I do not recommend. It is a handful of obvious neighborhoods.
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/\ I'm not stupid. I know there issues. But let's keep it real with the fact that many people in these hoods are good people. Also, I do feel the vast majority of the city will come back to being great places to live.
And what makes it even more a joke is the white posers like 99 and Eugene who want to keep neighborhoods ****ty.
If you look at the history of NY, there will always be undesireable ghetto neighborhoods. Deal with it. What you see now may be the best you ever see. Especially with todays social issues.
Really quote me then. You know exactly what areas I do not recommend. It is a handful of obvious neighborhoods.
Uhhh, there's more than enough material around the forum to prove my point.
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If you look at the history of NY, there will always be undesireable ghetto neighborhoods. Deal with it. What you see now may be the best you ever see. Especially with todays social issues.
Yes, there will be. But people forget that the areas being gentrified a) used to be good and b) make up a very small precentage of the total "ghetto". I'm sick of hearing about "poor poor people". No one is suggesting ENY/Brownsville or Soundview here. I tend to make distinctions between "bad" neighborhoods and "beyond hope" neighborhoods.
After the shooting of an actress in the Lower East Side, is are there more police in the neighborhood? Aren't the apartments directly across from the projects afraid? What is the average rent for those apartments?
After the shooting of an actress in the Lower East Side, is are there more police in the neighborhood? Aren't the apartments directly across from the projects afraid? What is the average rent for those apartments?
I would'nt live there.
The rent is high I belive, although Avenue D is ghetto. A couple homeless shelters and halfway houses on that block too.
The shooting of the actress wasn't the first or the last incident. People get shot in that area all the time. There is a very strong drug trade. Muggings forget about it. The LES overall has changed a lot, but the parts along the East River still make up a very bad neighborhood.
I lived in the Seward Park coops for many years, well before it went private. Was dirt cheap to buy in. When they went private, they upped the prices gradually. Lived across the street and down a block or two from housing projects. Had no trouble. The coops are gated off/have security guards when you get inside. Plus the LES has been gentrifying for years. Now there's luxe condos exp. north of Delancey. Lots of bars, restaurants around there too.
I lived in the Seward Park coops for many years, well before it went private. Was dirt cheap to buy in. When they went private, they upped the prices gradually. Lived across the street and down a block or two from housing projects. Had no trouble. The coops are gated off/have security guards when you get inside. Plus the LES has been gentrifying for years. Now there's luxe condos exp. north of Delancey. Lots of bars, restaurants around there too.
You just backed what most of us have said. The LES as a whole has changed a ton, but the housing projects along the East River are the ghetto.
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