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Not denying that these people are moving in your neighborhood but alot of these people go to visit their friends or go to cafes in the area and then go back to their actual neighborhoods... I know cause I see it in Bushwick... I'm coming home from Brooklyn back to Ridgewood and I have to take it to Grand and you'll see a bunch of white folk on the L train at 12am coming home from the Dekalb Jefferson stops to go back to where they live on Morgan, Montrose, Lorimer and Bedford stops... same thing goes for Bed-stuy... There are a few that live in the brownstones but alot more are visitors of the area and not people that live there...
Also the A train has become very similar to the L train because alot of people use that train to go to JFK and Brooklyn Heights/park slope
Notice I said most of BUshwick... Didn't deny the gentrification but as opposed to earlier on in the year things have gotten worse in terms of gang presense and violent crime in the area and I cannot in good concious recommend that area especially past Dekalb to no one. Do i see a few of them even along the wilson and halsey stops? Of course. But I said significant presence and 5-10 people in one section of Bushwick does not constitute significant in my book...
Also is the part about them going to the cafes and then returning home to east williamsburg or williamsburg wrong... take the L train a couple of times at night time riding it from Broadway junction down and you'll see what I'm talking about... Same goes for Bed-stuy along the A train... Now that these areas have become synonymous with gentrification alot of people come to visit these areas to see what the hype is about. If they feel comfortable some look for cheaper apartments, if not they go on their merry way and return to their safer but slightly more expensive neighborhoods...
It's not really a tirade just speaking from the observations...
I feel like there is some sort of magentic force keeping hipsters on the Bushwick side of Broadway from what I see on the J. I do notice a small but growing population of Asian and Mexican immigrants towards Ocean Hill, along with Africans and West Indies Blacks so the area is up and coming in that sense. After Goodbye Blue Monday by Kosciuszko, there isn't much catering to transplants in the area.
I have not seen hipsters get off at Rockaway or Ralph yet. I take the A every day. Not doubting you, I'm just saying I haven't seen it personally. Utica however is a definite. I'll never forget the first time I saw them get off at Utica. And I chill around Utica Avenue on the A train sometimes, and its a little rough over there. Hell, I was around there today.
I wouldn't say it happens every day. It is still very rare. But I have seen a few get off at these stops. I almost died of shock the first time I saw this. I'm thinking the gentrification will eventually stop at the Brooklyn/Queens border because beyond that, Manhattan is too far and the "A" train splits so it's too much of a hassle.
I wouldn't say it happens every day. It is still very rare. But I have seen a few get off at these stops. I almost died of shock the first time I saw this. I'm thinking the gentrification will eventually stop at the Brooklyn/Queens border because beyond that, Manhattan is too far and the "A" train splits so it's too much of a hassle.
No its not rare...actually 3-4 times out of the week I'm seeing white people get off at Utica and Nostrand. It was rare 7-8 years ago; now it's a common occurence. And I don't think anything east of Crown Heights will ever be gentrified....it's pretty much anything that's a half hour and within to Manhattan that has the most chance of becoming gentrified, because that's pretty much the maximum amount of time the transplants are willing to commute. What neighborhood do you live in? Just curious.
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No its not rare...actually 3-4 times out of the week I'm seeing white people get off at Utica and Nostrand. It was rare 7-8 years ago; now it's a common occurence. And I don't think anything east of Crown Heights will ever be gentrified....it's pretty much anything that's a half hour and within to Manhattan that has the most chance of becoming gentrified, because that's pretty much the maximum amount of time the transplants are willing to commute. What neighborhood do you live in? Just curious.
Ozone Park. I don't see this area getting gentrified anytime soon. But we are getting lots of newcomers from Brooklyn that were either priced out of gentrified neighborhoods or left the really bad areas to get their kids in better schools.
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But we are getting lots of newcomers from Brooklyn that were either priced out of gentrified neighborhoods or left the really bad areas to get their kids in better schools.
