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Unless I'm mistaken, none of the buildings in midtown clean themselves. And none of the retaurants and stores are totally automated. And the shoe shine stands are not self-service. It takes a support structure for millionaires to make their millions (although the millionaires tend to forget that). There are probably more poor people in midtown than there are millionaires.
Of course, but I asked how common is it for them to drive into the midtown?
The major problem with this congestion pricing nonsense is that the trains will become an absolute disaster. If you think they get packed now, just wait. And if you trust the MTA to take any revenue they are given from it to theoretically improve service, then you're smokin rocks.
Of course, but I asked how common is it for them to drive into the midtown?
My point is that making people pay a flat rate to drive into midtown is purely a regressive tax. A person who makes $25k a year and needs to drive to midtown is spending a much larger portion of their disposable income than someone making $1M. Let the guy making $1M pay more.
Drivers subsidized by others? Lmao! Drivers are the most subsidized individuals on the road by far.
I'm tired of subsidizing a small minority in this city. Right now roughly 20% of workers drive to work in NYC. Congestion pricing will knock that down significantly after being implemented.
Like it or not congestion pricing is coming. It makes sense. There are a number of comparable cities already using it to fund mass transit.
Grvthang, Nei's point is very few people in the lower income bracket drive into the Manhattan CBDs, in fact I don't know any myself or even heard of such a thing. Even moderate and higher income people take the subway the vast majority of the time.
Likeminas, bike share opens in NYC this summer. More Bus lanes are coming along with our barebones BRT service called SBS.
Like it or not congestion pricing is coming. It makes sense. There are a number of comparable cities already using it to fund mass transit.
There are ZERO cities in the United States that do such.
Last time it came up to the state assembly they refused to look at the bill as it violates acts that allot federal highway funding.
The congestion charges are the MTA's BS tolls over the bridges & tunnels.
I don't see how you can say on one hand drivers are subsidized in NY, and then on the other say you need to tax them to keep buses and subways running.
80% of MTA tolls go towards public tranist.
0% of Subway and Bus fares go towards roads and infrastructure.
If the tolls went exclusively for drivers, the system would shut down overnight. Read up on your history about the TBTA and how it was absolved into the MTA by Robert Moses' choice.
The USA is too autocentric for congestion pricing outside a few metros. NYC being the most readily equipped. Overseas, congestion pricing has proven to not only provide finding, but improve air quality and reduce traffic (and associated accidents).
Congestion pricing recieved overwhelming support in Manhattan, and inner Brooklyn/Bronx/Queens. Most opposition came from areas with little to no subway access like East Queens and A.D.
The infrastructure necessary to sustain our bridges, highways, extra, FAR outweighs that of pedestrians and bicycleist. Mass transit of course carries more people and therefore is more efficient then a private vehicle. Gas is largely subsidized and could easily be sold at European prices in NYC as it would not effect most residents. The tolls do not cover the expenses.
My problem with congestion pricing is that it's as regressive as a tax can be, and hurts the poor while the rich are unscathed. What does a hedge fund manager care if you charge him $50 to go to midtown Manhattan? I say tax every limousine $500.
A lot of the traffic is caused by cabs and trucks anyways...
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