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On another thread we strayed off topic about how neighborhoods with high concentrations of poverty ate associated with crime, "ghetto" behavior, wayward kids, filth, etc. However, this was not always the case. One poster mentioned that walking through the projects, you'd see men in suits going to work, supervised kids who were disciplined, who went to some of the best high schools in the city.
So, what happened? Once the "cream" of these neighborhoods did well and moved on, only the most disinfranched remain?
On another thread we strayed off topic about how neighborhoods with high concentrations of poverty ate associated with crime, "ghetto" behavior, wayward kids, filth, etc. However, this was not always the case. One poster mentioned that walking through the projects, you'd see men in suits going to work, supervised kids who were disciplined, who went to some of the best high schools in the city.
So, what happened? Once the "cream" of these neighborhoods did well and moved on, only the most disinfranched remain?
Just curious on some theories you may have.
Not sure but I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't turn ugly.
The crime stats and poverty rates indicate that some of the stories about how great all these neighborhoods used to be may be because people are looking in the rearview mirror with rose colored glasses on.
Not sure but I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't turn ugly.
The crime stats and poverty rates indicate that some of the stories about how great all these neighborhoods used to be may be because people are looking in the rearview mirror with rose colored glasses on.
Okay, in an attempt for this to not get ugly, let's try not to.
ALSO, I'm going to ask that we can look at these neighborhoods during the period PRIOR TO THE CRACK ERA. So let's go up to 1980. Crack ushered in some problems that were not there prior.
One theory I have is that lower income people were spread out all over the city. They weren't concentrated on public housing or "affordable housing" where Section 8 vouchers are used to subsidize rent.
Poor people rented apartments in neighborhoods with mixed incomes and professional levels, and I believe this had something to do with the different value structure that existed back then. For example, you could have a family owning a brownstone in Bed Stuy or Park Slope, and in the house next door, the family is renting an apartment and they receive public assistance. Perhaps this proximity to people with different values was motivational.
Okay, in an attempt for this to not get ugly, let's try not to.
ALSO, I'm going to ask that we can look at these neighborhoods during the period PRIOR TO THE CRACK ERA. So let's go up to 1980. Crack ushered in some problems that were not there prior.
One theory I have is that lower income people were spread out all over the city. They weren't concentrated on public housing or "affordable housing" where Section 8 vouchers are used to subsidize rent.
Poor people rented apartments in neighborhoods with mixed incomes and professional levels, and I believe this had something to do with the different value structure that existed back then. For example, you could have a family owning a brownstone in Bed Stuy or Park Slope, and in the house next door, the family is renting an apartment and they receive public assistance. Perhaps this proximity to people with different values was motivational.
Well prior of the crack era is in the beginning of 1970s ill go back further, capital spending s and new york was in a really really debt hole nyc didnt have money for loans to pay back and mayor abe started cutting programs and funds to lower class. So then proverty hit the poor then middle. And theses neighborhoods bronx for example people were homeless , white flight, and landlords didnt care about apartments so then people and landlords start burning the place down to see if insurance would cover it so they get money in there pockets.
Low income areas has always been bad since the development of the city in the 19th century. LES has been a very bad area for the past 150 years only until gentrification came and changed everything in that area. Also les was a low income immigrant hood from Irish to Jewish and Italian to puerto rican. Harlem also turned into a low income area during the end of the 19th century harboring low income immigrants and later migrants or transplants from the south known as African Americans. Areas like mott haven and the south bronx was also a low income tenement dominated area it too had a high rate of crime for much of its history. Prohibition era in the south Bronx was just as bad as crack cocaine era. I cant believe people on here think that only prior to the 1980s that much of NYC had good working low income class areas and become bad during crack cocaine era
Tell us Webster Ave Guy, tell the story about Poe Park and strawberry ice-cream!
And the rosy cheeked children dancing in the streets ?
His memories of the North Bronx back in the good old days don't coincide with my memories of when I used to visit my aunt in Norwood when I was a kid.I remember it as being a lot scarier than it is today.
Lets not forget about people like Dutch Schultz from the south Bronx, Meyer lansky and lucky luciano of tue les all come from bad low income areas of those eras.
On another thread we strayed off topic about how neighborhoods with high concentrations of poverty ate associated with crime, "ghetto" behavior, wayward kids, filth, etc. However, this was not always the case. One poster mentioned that walking through the projects, you'd see men in suits going to work, supervised kids who were disciplined, who went to some of the best high schools in the city.
So, what happened? Once the "cream" of these neighborhoods did well and moved on, only the most disinfranched remain?
Just curious on some theories you may have.
Nobody cares.
Their lifestyle is accepted and excused.
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