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Old 04-17-2013, 03:49 PM
 
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Please, just stop before you hurt yourself... Myrtle ave to the North is Ridgewood... I really hope you don't expect me to believe you are that ignorant as to believe that Myrtle only goes through one neighborhood... Please prove me wrong so that you can still have a shred of believability on this site... Am I the only one on here who speaks vocally and knows what's really going on in Bushwick... Is everyone else really that uninformed...?

Furthermore, let's play devil's advocate and assume you're right (which you aren't)? What does one section of the neighborhood having 0 murders one year have to do with any changes... You expect each section of the neighborhood to have multiple murders each year? This isn't the 70s my man... We don't live in those times anymore...

Now if you'll excuse me I have to do a couple jobs but I'll be back to sort out this mess around 10... For the uninformed folks trying to comment... Please do some research first so that way you can adequately respond on this thread... Thank you.
In response to the bolded: Exactly.

You already know I was referring to Myrtle Ave in Bushwick. That's about a third of the geographical area, if you consider Bushwick to be South of Flushing Ave and northeast of Broadway. There are no official neighborhood boundaries in NYC either. In fact, most known "neighborhoods" encompass an area much to large to be frequented by residents on a regular basis.

Anyway, you like to bring my name up. I never once referred to myself as an expert on Bushwick. However, I am not naive enough to fail to realize the potential for gentrification in that neighborhood. The neighborhood has improved, and it's location is prime. I agree a lot of the housing is ugly too, but Williamsburg is no Bed-Stuy either.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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The media reported that a father and son were carjacked on Johnson ave the other day. The article called it Bushwick when they really should of wrote East Williamsburg.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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Why is it that Flushing ave is the definite border?
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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If I happen to live just north of Flushing ave, is my kid zoned for an elementary school in Williamsburg or Bushwick?
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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Where were you specifically in Bushwick? Do you remember? Honestly, it's not like Bed-stuy or Fort Greene and Clinton Hill or even Harlem that had beautiful architecture and slowly began its transformation into an area worth investing... Bushwick is and always has looked like a dump going as far back as I can remember... There's a reason why it was arguably the worst area in Brooklyn back in the late 70s early 80s... I've posted numerous times on here showing the type of architecture Bushwick has... It's mainly ugly 4-8 family broken down apartment buildings filled with graffiti or 1-2 family homes covered in iron fences and iron bars to protect from robbery... If that's anyone's idea of rustic charm, "retro"... then I am clearly clueless as to what constitutes nice... Personally, the most appealing buildings you see in Bushwick are the project buildings because at least they look relatively maintained...

And now, due to false hype you have a random purple condo building or lime green condo building to try and attract the awkward hipster clientele but those buildings stick out like sore thumbs in the neighborhood... I don't know how many different ways I can say this... The demographics of Bushwick and to a certain extent the look of Bushwick really hasn't changed all that much in the last 5-10 years... Now, if we're comparing the Bushwick of today to the Bushwick of 1981 then yea it's a whole different ball game... But the same could be said for just about every single high crime area then and now...

It's why I don't get this media created Bushwick... If you want a neighborhood to change why falsely advertise... All that'll eventually due in the end is price out those same poor hipsters that start the wave in the first place... What self-respecting middle class worker or family would take a plunge on this area whose rents are on par or beyond other middle class areas when there is still relatively little significant investment... It just makes no sense... And it's why this area along with sections of Harlem will never fully gentrify... It's too expensive for the poor white kids from Ohio but still too crime ridden for the yuppy coming from Manhattan looking for more space in Brooklyn...
Ditto for Astoria, you see these condos that are out of place with these 2 family working class homes, these condos stick out like a sore thumb when you look at Astoria coming down of the Triboro Bridge.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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@ Pokistic, this man just answered your questions for you... anything other worthless comments you'd like to add that prove your ignorance on this topic...
This is what I am talking about. I don't create 'worthless' comments... these ignorant people here in City-data used to say back then that East Williamsburg = Bushwick. Just read the responses on some threads I found....



2007 - //www.city-data.com/forum/new-y...se-morgan.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/1923490-post5.html


2008 -//www.city-data.com/forum/new-y...liamsburg.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/2448412-post2.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/2515931-post7.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/2517068-post10.html



2010 - //www.city-data.com/forum/new-y...urg-peeps.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/13600810-post2.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/13601048-post4.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/13611224-post7.html
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:13 PM
 
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So now that 'East Williamsburg' is getting nicer and expensive, then it is no longer 'Bushwick'? Ok... Hahahaha

Next stops to gentrify... the areas around Jefferson and Dekalb... Mark my words. Property owners are probably asking high prices already.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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I used to get into arguments all the time with people over whether East Williamsburg existed or not, or whether it was a real estate agents invention. The answer, clearly, for anyone who's willing to look it up, is that East Williamsburg has been a neighborhood since at least the early 20th century (probably before this, too, but 1910s is the earliest mention of it that I've ever personally looked up).

However, neighborhood lines do shift and change based on what's desirable--we see this all the time.

Case in point--I lived on Seigel St, between Manhattan Ave and Graham Ave, for 10 years--5 blocks from the Montrose Ave stop on the L train. This area is, historically, East Williamsburg. Now, when I moved there (2000), it was advertised as East Williamsburg--not only because that's what it actually was, but because Williamsburg was considered hip and highly desirable. When I moved OUT (2010), this area had become Bushwick...because at that point Williamsburg was considered un-hip, yuppie, and passe, and all the cool kids wanted to be in Bushwick. So, even though neighborhood designations don't change, people's perceptions of them certainly do (fed by the real estate market).
http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/Newtown.html

The old map that labels current day Ridgewood as "East Williamsburgh."
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:36 PM
 
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http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/...williams3.html

Map from 1845 showing that Bushwick starts at Bushwick ave. I actually kind of believe that Bushwick starts at Flushing ave myself, it is just that history may think differently and is perhaps repeating itself. The border is not as black and white as some believe.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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Way too much thought is being put into this artificial boundary.

The area north of Flushing or East Williamsburg is experiencing significant gentrification. The area north of Myrtle to a lesser extent. Once you go south of that point, it's barely noticeable.

What matters here is this. The entirety of Bushwick/East Williamsburg is located on some valuable real estate.
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