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Most crime suspects are black males. Most victims of crimes are people of color. Does someone deserve to be stopped and disrespected, NO. Unfortunately the real losers in this outcome will be the citizens of NYC especially in high crime pct's. The family on the UES will be fine or out Park Slope. It's the thugs in the high crime areas that will now start carrying firearms knowing the police won't be stopping them. BTW for any NYPD cop your nuts to do any proactive work in that environment. Just collect that check every 2 weeks and go home to your family.
This is the opinion among the decent people in central Harlem - there are many.
This is the opinion among the decent people in central Harlem - there are many.
This is also how you get a whole neighborhood to hate/or at least distrust the police (even the regular folks), when only the thugs should if the cops were doing their jobs like they supposed to. But nowadays it's all about the stats, the days when you actually knew the officer patrolling your block are long gone smh. The best way for the police officers to do their job efficiently is to be trusted by the community. Pure repression has never solved anything, in fact it has always made things worse.
This is also how you get a whole neighborhood to hate/or at least distrust the police (even the regular folks), when only the thugs should if the cops were doing their jobs like they supposed to. But nowadays it's all about the stats, the days when you actually knew the officer patrolling your block are long gone smh. The best way for the police officers to do their job efficiently is to be trusted by the community. Pure repression has never solved anything, in fact it has always made things worse.
I doubt you know anything about Harlem, unless you lived here ...?
You do speak with such stridency for others, rather astonishing if you have not.
The "regular folks" here do not hate the police. Conversely, they do hate ghetto culture.
I doubt you know anything about Harlem, unless you lived here ...?
You do speak with such stridency for others, rather astonishing if you have not.
The "regular folks" here do not hate the police. Conversely, they do hate ghetto culture.
I don't speak for Harlem in particular, but I've actually been there, I talked to the people. I even stayed in East Harlem during the holidays, I got good friends of mine who used to live in the area.
Anyway my statement was about what I see around my way, the situation where I grew up and still live in. Believe it or not there is a lot of things in common between hoods in NYC and hoods overseas, and from what I have seen the relationships with the police are pretty much the same.
I don't speak for Harlem in particular, but I've actually been there, I talked to the people. I even stayed in East Harlem during the holidays, I got good friends of mine who used to live in the area.
Anyway my statement was about what I see around my way, the situation where I grew up and still live in. Believe it or not there is a lot of things in common between hoods in NYC and hoods overseas, and from what I have seen the relationships with the police are pretty much the same.
No ... things are not the same. They never are.
Funny, I have a close friend here from Paris (Luxembourg Gardens) now, Fulbright scholar, we were just talking about this. She sees things there and here as quite different. I did not exactly live in Paris so I deferred to her opinion.
Oh so now this Judge Scheindlin is an expert on being a police officer? She has a lot of nerve making assumptions. She hasn't walked the beat one day in her life to go making these sorts of inane conclusions. I wonder what conclusion she would come to about the other 12% or the fact that Blacks commit the most crimes in NYC?
I hope this decision is appealed and taken to the highest courts possible. Our neighborhoods need more protection, not less, especially with the recession these days. Everybody is desperate. If this decision is upheld, there is no question that cops won't be nearly as effective as they have been in the past on deterring crime from occurring from our "outstanding citizens".
But Bloomberg has only a few more months in office. Even if he appeals, a process which can take years, the next mayor who will be a Democrat will STRIKE DOWN the APPEAL! Its all over, Grosvenor. Oh, look forward to your new friends from Edenwald and Mott Haven moving in next to you, creating an all new Riverdale.
Anyone who understands that crime will increase without Stop and Frisk.
And real estate will crash. Anyway, it also shows how screwed up the city is for them to even think about doing stop and frisk.
It also shows that Bloomberg did absolutely nothing to really get rid of NYCHA or Section, or to transition these people to jobs/make them have to work. He did stop and frisk, like Giuliani before him, to make out of town whites with money feel safe coming to NYC, which supposedly been civilized. Yeah, right, its as ghetto as ever. Or else you would not fear the ending of Stop and Frisk, which is unconstitutional and needed to be stopped.
We'll see what the Supreme Court thinks about her "expertise". To clarify, she didn't call for an outright end to Stop and Frisk and she didn't because she knows that the program is indeed constitutional, and it was ruled constitutional years ago. She just called for some changes to be implemented.
Very funny, but hipsters aren't common in Riverdale.
This has to go to other courts before it gets to the Supreme Court. Of course, long before then, the next mayor of NYC could stop appealing Stop and Frisk. There's a good chance it will never get to the Supreme Court. Even Quinn thinks the city needed an independent monitor and an inspector general.
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