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How can one propose a solution when the reason(s) for the violence has not been clarified? I asked earlier what was the cause of it and I have yet to receive an answer aside from people yelling that I want the parade to end, which is a ridiculous claim simply because I pointed out the continued violence that occurs during the events.
Oh my God, I just talked about why some of the violence occurs. People from neighboring communities come to the site of the parade and with that, you are always going to get the criminal element who will act out. They come from East Flatbush, Crown Heights, Brownsville, Bedstuy, Bushwick, and East New York. Another thing you should know is that most of the shootings that occurs during Labor Day Weekend are committed by young men who are affiliated with gangs. They are the ones carrying guns. They are the ones who act out and can ruin the experience for everyone. The only thing parade organizers can do is plead for peace, but it hasn't reach that stage yet. A plea like that will fall on deaf ears to these knuckleheads who don't have conflict resolution skills. A bump, a side eye look, anything trivial can spark a shooting. The parade itself is a fun, jovial atmosphere and the safest you'll find yourself in.
What more do you want? Do you want Al Sharpton coming out with a megaphone telling people to stop the violence? The parade hasn't been a bloodbath and as far as I know, most of the incidents occur before and after the parade and in different parts of Brooklyn.
Scantily clad women have nothing to do with violence. You had women dressed up normal clothing getting their butts pinched and their breasts fondled during the Puerto Rican Day parade back in June of 2000. You never heard anything like that happening at the WI LDP.
I'll give you guys the real answer. The West Indies in general is not known to be a region with exemplary law enforcement. It's more of a vigilante society (take matters into their own hands). Unfortunately, those of lower class bring it over here. Combine that with already established gangs in Brooklyn, and that's your reason for the yearly bloodshed.
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Oh my God, I just talked about why some of the violence occurs. People from neighboring communities come to the site of the parade and with that, you are always going to get the criminal element who will act out. They come from East Flatbush, Crown Heights, Brownsville, Bedstuy, Bushwick, and East New York. Another thing you should know is that most of the shootings that occurs during Labor Day Weekend are committed by young men who are affiliated with gangs. They are the ones carrying guns. They are the ones who act out and can ruin the experience for everyone. The only thing parade organizers can do is plead for peace, but it hasn't reach that stage yet. A plea like that will fall on deaf ears to these knuckleheads who don't have conflict resolution skills. A bump, a side eye look, anything trivial can spark a shooting. The parade itself is a fun, jovial atmosphere and the safest you'll find yourself in.
What more do you want? Do you want Al Sharpton coming out with a megaphone telling people to stop the violence? The parade hasn't been a bloodbath and as far as I know, most of the incidents occur before and after the parade and in different parts of Brooklyn.
The parade itself happens in ''Crown Heights'', but stretches a little bit into the East Flatbush on the East and Flatbush on the West.But the parade has been held in on Eastern Pkwy in Crown Heights for years and has always been attested by the Jewish Community living there, so best believe the attendees of Labor Day parade have some standard of behavior or would have been shut down.Like what you said most of the shootings occur some blocks away from the parade and are not in even in the same time period as Labor Day. Its funny you don't hear about the shootings of 4th of July being blamed for the problems with American Holiday. Neither is the holiday of Mardi Gras being blamed for the problems and violence that occurs during then.
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I'll give you guys the real answer. The West Indies in general is not known to be a region with exemplary law enforcement. It's more of a vigilante society (take matters into their own hands). Unfortunately, those of lower class bring it over here. Combine that with already established gangs in Brooklyn, and that's your reason for the yearly bloodshed.
This is incorrect the police in places like Jamaica,Trinidad,and Guyana are very hard and crucial on criminals. The police in the West Indies are 4x excessive as the police in America,they are known for having shoot outs and kill criminals.
And no its not the Wild Wild West Indies what so ever, many WIs are conservative.
J'Vouvert is very much associated with Canrival especially on other islands. .
I am fully aware of what j'ouvert is and its integral role in the carnivals of Trinidad and Grenada where it is INDIGEOUS with the jab jabs, etc.
My question is whether all of the j'ouvert in NYC is part of what WIADCA organizes or is some informal?
While we can argue that the formal parade isn't usually violent, its tough to make the same comment about j'ouvert in Brooklyn. As some would said too many idiots show up and many don't have a Caribbean connection, nor do they care about the event. I know a black American who told me that when he was young he used to go to the parade to snatch jewelry. Given that j'ouvert is at night it has harder to control.
My question will be whether it is necessary as it is obvious that among the peaceful and fun loving revelers there are other not so peaceful people. There is a viral video with people stomping over a police car. I don't know whether this incident was part of some j'ouvert group, or occurred no where near, but is just a plot by mischievous bigots. Or if the cops in that car had provoked people (maybe by driving into the crowd). But frankly that sight is disturbing.
This is incorrect the police in places like Jamaica,Trinidad,and Guyana are very hard and crucial on criminals. The police in the West Indies are 4x excessive as the police in America,they are known for having shoot outs and kill criminals.
And no its not the Wild Wild West Indies what so ever, many WIs are conservative.
You are saying the same thing though you are putting a positive spin. Police forces in the Caribbean can be quite brutal and in Jamaica and Guyana there is definitely a rogue element who act like vigilantes. In Guyana there is also some evidence that a few cops even moon light as mercenaries for wealthy business people, some of whom are drug lords.
The English speaking Caribbean has now become one of the most violent places where there is no war. Central America beats us, but then that is not saying much.
And yes you can blame being located between the biggest drug addicted nation (the USA) and the biggest source of supply (the Andean nations). Too many guns and to much money to entice our legions of unemployed youth into the drug industry.
I am fully aware of what j'ouvert is and its integral role in the carnivals of Trinidad and Grenada where it is INDIGEOUS with the jab jabs, etc.
My question is whether all of the j'ouvert in NYC is part of what WIADCA organizes or is some informal?
While we can argue that the formal parade isn't usually violent, its tough to make the same comment about j'ouvert in Brooklyn. As some would said too many idiots show up and many don't have a Caribbean connection, nor do they care about the event. I know a black American who told me that when he was young he used to go to the parade to snatch jewelry. Given that j'ouvert is at night it has harder to control.
My question will be whether it is necessary as it is obvious that among the peaceful and fun loving revelers there are other not so peaceful people. There is a viral video with people stomping over a police car. I don't know whether this incident was part of some j'ouvert group, or occurred no where near, but is just a plot by mischievous bigots. Or if the cops in that car had provoked people (maybe by driving into the crowd). But frankly that sight is disturbing.
Yes the J'ourvert is sponsored by the WIADCA. Yes many knucklheads show up looking for an opportunity to make a rip off, and its some people of West Indian descent doing these criminalistic activities.I am not going to sit here and tell you there is no incidents on the Parkway before , I've been in some stampedes,know about people shot on there ,and seen many gang fights on there.
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You are saying the same thing though you are putting a positive spin. Police forces in the Caribbean can be quite brutal and in Jamaica and Guyana there is definitely a rogue element who act like vigilantes. In Guyana there is also some evidence that a few cops even moon light as mercenaries for wealthy business people, some of whom are drug lords.
The English speaking Caribbean has now become one of the most violent places where there is no war. Central America beats us, but then that is not saying much.
And yes you can blame being located between the biggest drug addicted nation (the USA) and the biggest source of supply (the Andean nations). Too many guns and to much money to entice our legions of unemployed youth into the drug industry
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Yes there are definitely cops who take unorthodox methods. Guyana has had cops that have hunted down suspected criminals and people affiliated with them but sometimes it got innocent victims involved.The Phantom Squad going from village to village,is another example of this.In response like these you would have the fineman crew raising havoc.The police have always been corrupt in Guyana and want pay offs from a lot of things, they are real criminals cause you could be straight and get extorted. The thing is most of the police force are black. Jamaica cops have little resources and are sort of at war with police.
The guns and drugs come in from forces to powerful. You actually had Genovese,Sianola Cartel, Italian Ndreghetta Mafia,Philipine criminals operating in Guyana. So there is heavy criminal world there.
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The parade itself happens in ''Crown Heights'', but stretches a little bit into the East Flatbush on the East and Flatbush on the West.But the parade has been held in on Eastern Pkwy in Crown Heights for years and has always been attested by the Jewish Community living there, so best believe the attendees of Labor Day parade have some standard of behavior or would have been shut down.Like what you said most of the shootings occur some blocks away from the parade and are not in even in the same time period as Labor Day. Its funny you don't hear about the shootings of 4th of July being blamed for the problems with American Holiday. Neither is the holiday of Mardi Gras being blamed for the problems and violence that occurs during then.
This is incorrect the police in places like Jamaica,Trinidad,and Guyana are very hard and crucial on criminals. The police in the West Indies are 4x excessive as the police in America,they are known for having shoot outs and kill criminals.
And no its not the Wild Wild West Indies what so ever, many WIs are conservative.
You're kidding, right? Anytime my fam goes to the West Indies, we follow these 2 rules - no jewelry and no flashy clothes. You take a look at the murder rate at some of the largest countries in the Caribbean and they're way higher than anywhere in America.
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