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A lot of them take place during the season before Lent....the final last three days are called fat days......Fat Sunday, Fat Monday, Fat Tuesday (Mardi-Gras in French)....then ASH Wednesday and the start of LENT.
The idea or whatever is to indulge in all type of vices before the repenting season of LENT.
So, in most of the Catholic places like Brazil, Trinidad, Louisiana, and Cuba you will find the tradition of Carnival.
Trinidad is not majority Catholic and neither is Louisiana there is a large Catholic community in these places. Then again, there are large Catholic communities in the Anglo-Caribbean as well as a larger Catholic pool in America,located in cities like Boston.
If you consider Ancient Greek culture to be from a comic book, you must also consider the Egyptian and African cultures, that Greek culture obtained much of its knowledge from, to be comic book material as well. How sad for you. *tsk tsk*
The Catholic Church may be founded hands on from Christ, but it did not create reveling in the old ways for any culture. At best, through obtaining conversion, it allowed it to be incorporated to a point for any culture.
Africa is the cradle of civilization, unless you would file that under "Revisionist" in your history-based file cabinet. If you have enough room with the comic book collection, that is.
Maybe there could be some pre-Catholic origins...of the Carnivals in Europe perhaps that involve the Dionysus mysteries.
Pre-Catholic origins likely, Greece not so much.
If you are talking about the Americas you should consider the carnivals from those countries that colonized.
Which would not be Italy, the most likely locus for Greek influences - if these did exist.
Trinidad is not majority Catholic and neither is Louisiana there is a large Catholic community in these places. Then again, there are large Catholic communities in the Anglo-Caribbean as well as a larger Catholic pool in America,located in cities like Boston.
Yes, there are....and Louisiana is very Catholic.
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If you consider Ancient Greek culture to be from a comic book, you must also consider the Egyptian and African cultures, that Greek culture obtained much of its knowledge from, to be comic book material as well. How sad for you. *tsk tsk*
The Catholic Church may be founded hands on from Christ, but it did not create reveling in the old ways for any culture. At best, through obtaining conversion, it allowed it to be incorporated to a point for any culture.
Africa is the cradle of civilization, unless you would file that under "Revisionist" in your history-based file cabinet. If you have enough room with the comic book collection, that is.
This is really not a good look....and your arguments are all over the place.
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Pre-Catholic origins likely, Greece not so much.
If you are talking about the Americas you should consider the carnivals from those countries that colonized.
Which would not be Italy, the most likely locus for Greek influences - if these did exist.
If you're talking about the Pagan origins I think so. Could have a connection to those mysteries.
Geez, anyone read newsweek? In terms of that so called parade. If that was Columbus or Steuben day acting that way. There would be no permits allowed. Progress has been made. Only 2 or 3 people were murdered. Geez.
The Newsweek article as cheap, racist and highly inaccurate reporting by a lazy journalist who wasn't even there. the shootings occurred HOURS before the event. There were NO reported incidents at the parade, this from Bratton HIMSELF!
Should I blame the St Patricks Day parade for the fact that some drunken people use to pick fights on the LIRR to the point where they had to be monitoring people? We don't even know whether those people went any where near the St Patty's parade, and ditto for the West Indian day event.....except of course the latter is about black people, foreigners mainly so folks can appeal to both racist and xenophobic sentiments to get some notoriety.
Here's an article from 15 years ago, referring to prior efforts, as well: NYPD TO PONY UP $10M FOR MINORITY ADS | New York Post
"A review of NYPD personnel records reveals that the number of black men in the department has remained virtually the same over the past 30 years despite repeated attempts to recruit African-Americans.
Blacks were 8% of the police force in 1999 and are now 19%, not far below the 23% of the population which blacks currently are.
Why are you using an outdated article to make a point?
Mashramani has long been in Guyana and does not take elements from Trinidad.
Mashramani in Guyana is basically a Trinidadian carnival, and indeed almost all of the music played is either Trini or Bajan. Even if it is a Guyanese performing there is nothing uniquely Guyanese about the style.
Mashramani is nothing like the Xmas masquerades which I vaguely remember from the early 60s with the Tall Lady, Stilt dancers, Muddah Sally, etc. That was Guyanese. Mash isn't.
In the islands other than Trinidad, even though they too stage a basically Trini style event at least the music is local. I am talking about carnivals in islands like Grenada, St Vincent, Dominica, Antigua and St Kitts. And of course Crop Over in Barbados. Each island has its own style. Even Grenada lying just 100 miles from T&T.
I'd be interested in hearing about the "inaccuracies". Every year that I've heard about that parade, there has been some sort of violence or someone killed. s.
The 55 y/o who was killed was shot at least 7 hours BEFORE the carnival began.......but that isn't important to you. So you are responsible for an inaccuracy right there.
Have you ever gone to the parade. If not do you really think that you should have an opinion?
I don't think the costumes were the main point of that post. The parade can be conducted naked as far as I'm concerned, just stop shooting and stabbing each other. Deal?
Please itemize shootings, and stabbings which occurred on Eastern Parkway between 11 AM, when the parade began and 7 PM when it ended.
I am sure that you have all the details.
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