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Old 10-15-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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lol.
Ah, yes, I assume you are a Psychometrician correct?

No, you probably don't know the first thing about test development. That's why you would be so misinformed to think that a student could do well on the test without actually learning the state's curriculum objectives.

There are thousands of PhDs nationally who work on test development and aligning with state standards.
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Old 10-15-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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Success Academy students are not succeeding once they get to college. Learning to take a test does not equal learning to think critically.
Of course. However ... children from the privates and a very few and select public venues WILL be actually educated.

Here, I am guessing you are dealing with quantification folk, who are not very smart (at all). I would give up.
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Old 10-15-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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Ah, yes, I assume you are a Psychometrician correct?

No, you probably don't know the first thing about test development. That's why you would be so misinformed to think that a student could do well on the test without actually learning the state's curriculum objectives.

There are thousands of PhDs nationally who work on test development and aligning with state standards.

Well that is just so impressive. The fact that there are "thousands" certainly demonstrates to me that they are both meaningful in life and absolutely on target.

Hopefully, we will entirely abandon the "education" part - such a waste of time - in favor of developing, you know, more "metrics." Aligning with state standards and all.

For anyone else who might be thinking, even for a moment, the assessment types are a blight on the landscape. They are paid far too much money to do nothing, and for this reason, they will fight to the death to protect this. None produce any value whatsoever. The value producers are teachers, researchers, and even students if they are led and encouraged. Administrators - nothing at all.

What would they do if not "test development" ? Fast food service at best.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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For anyone else who might be thinking, even for a moment, the assessment types are a blight on the landscape. They are paid far too much money to do nothing, and for this reason, they will fight to the death to protect this. None produce any value whatsoever. The value producers are teachers, researchers, and even students if they are led and encouraged. Administrators - nothing at all.
Um, administrators have zero to do with "test development". Teachers, researchers and students provide the necessary inputs for aligning curriculum/standards to an assessment.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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Um, administrators have zero to do with "test development". Teachers, researchers and students provide the necessary inputs for aligning curriculum/standards to an assessment.
Newsflash - if you are involved with any of the things you mentioned, you are most firmly aligned with administrative realms. That's just a fact.

Important correction. Teachers, researchers, and students are COERCED into participating in the truly useless and beyond stupid time waste that is current "assessment."

Which in fact "assesses" nothing of value at all beyond the extent to which students have been quantified into obedient gadgets just like the electronic ones they carry.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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Success Academy students are not succeeding once they get to college. Learning to take a test does not equal learning to think critically.
What evidence do you base you comments on?
What kind of diet that you invented gives you such a magical power in predicting the future of this group of students at the very beginning of this educational program?
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:18 PM
 
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That means at least they've been taught something. The same can't be said of a lot of the students of the regular city schools.

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The evidence proves that 100% of the third graders have been taught to pass the test.

That's all.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:22 PM
 
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First, please provide some proof that there's any basis to this claim.

Second, everything is relative. What is both the college acceptance and graduation rates for Success Academy students vs NYC public school students in general, especially out of the same neighborhoods.

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Success Academy students are not succeeding once they get to college. Learning to take a test does not equal learning to think critically.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:29 PM
 
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First, please provide some proof that there's any basis to this claim.

Second, everything is relative. What is both the college acceptance and graduation rates for Success Academy students vs NYC public school students in general, especially out of the same neighborhoods.

You seem to misunderstand. "Everything is relative" is precisely what does not work there.
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Old 10-15-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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What evidence do you base you comments on?
What kind of diet that you invented gives you such a magical power in predicting the future of this group of students at the very beginning of this educational program?
I had no idea you were an educator !
Do fill us all in, your opinion and all.

Because you must be in order to challenge opinions from people who are.
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