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Your post makes NO sense.
The second ave is a waste of money when there is a subway a short 2 block walk that already exists. They ONLY added 3 stations ( in 10 year and for an extreme amount of money may I addd) to an area that already has a subway. You yapping about it going to brooklyn is nothing new. The train already goes to brooklyn. There are many areas that have NO subway by it and if they would build one there with the money they spend this # station project people without subway access would then have one. YES is it nice to have an extra train on THE UES, yes is it a benefit... sure. But we aren't dealing with endless money. They spend the money on this project. The money could've been better spent elsewhere for people who need a train. Oh yes but you aren't one of those that care about those who need something, its about you and whats best for you life.
I don't live on the UES or East Harlem, so this is not about what I need personally.
Of course being the boro with the most money, of course Manhattan gets priority. Manhattan residents on the East side complained about 4,5,6 congestion and this offers them relief. Unlike Queens residents who protested against expansions of the subway in Queens. During the Giuliani era, the city was interested in building the N to LaGuardia but Queens residents opposed this. In the 1980s the MTA wanted to extend the e-train further into eastern Queens but residents did not want it.
The greatest costs of civil servant pay are pensions. Virtually all new civil servants pensions aren't as cushy as those that came before them.
Different eras call for different priorities. When was the last time you heard about Medicaid or civil servant pay in NYC news? It's all about how ****ty our infrastructure is and politicians will focus on that if the electorate does.
You can see evidence of that with the CitiBike expansion, Operation Track Sweep, Red Hook light rail proposal, ferry proposals, SBS lanes, etc. First the low hanging fruit and then the real stuff.
It's building up because it's the number 1 obstacle to the ongoing prosperity of the city. We got lucky in that Uber alleviated some of the pressure from our crappy infrastructure.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that priorities never change.
Medicaid actually expanded in NYC due to federal funding as a part of the ACA. So there's no current new news on that, but that didn't mean that medicaid shrank or anything like that.
Civil servant pay is not in the news because de Blasio gave all the unions a pay raise within his first year in office, and there are no contracts up for negotiation. So basically there is no news to report.
Red Hook light rail proposal has been proposed for years. Call me when either the city or the state decide to fund it. For that matter there are always major mass transit proposals in NYC. Rarely are they funded.
10 years ago they proposed Triboro RX, a new freight train tunnel connecting NY and NJ, and a number of new transit lines.
Today, the only things in progress are the Second Avenue Subway (phase 1 is done, phase 2 is in the design phase), LIRR to Grand Central, and phase one Penn Station Access. The only studies actually going on are a Staten Island Light Rail and Rockaway Beach Activation.
If all of these projects happened to completion (including Second Avenue Subway through phase 4) it would still leave NY far behind other major cities in transit expansion. In short we have a long way to go before transit expansion is a serious priority in NYC, and it would probably only happen if the federal government is willing to pay for it.
The problem isn't the distance to the subway, it's the overcrowding on the existing subway. The system simply needs more capacity to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by livingsinglenyc
Your post makes NO sense.
The second ave is a waste of money when there is a subway a short 2 block walk that already exists. They ONLY added 3 stations ( in 10 year and for an extreme amount of money may I addd) to an area that already has a subway. You yapping about it going to brooklyn is nothing new. The train already goes to brooklyn. There are many areas that have NO subway by it and if they would build one there with the money they spend this # station project people without subway access would then have one. YES is it nice to have an extra train on THE UES, yes is it a benefit... sure. But we aren't dealing with endless money. They spend the money on this project. The money could've been better spent elsewhere for people who need a train. Oh yes but you aren't one of those that care about those who need something, its about you and whats best for you life.
Your post makes NO sense.
The second ave is a waste of money when there is a subway a short 2 block walk that already exists. They ONLY added 3 stations ( in 10 year and for an extreme amount of money may I addd) to an area that already has a subway. You yapping about it going to brooklyn is nothing new. The train already goes to brooklyn. There are many areas that have NO subway by it and if they would build one there with the money they spend this # station project people without subway access would then have one. YES is it nice to have an extra train on THE UES, yes is it a benefit... sure. But we aren't dealing with endless money. They spend the money on this project. The money could've been better spent elsewhere for people who need a train. Oh yes but you aren't one of those that care about those who need something, its about you and whats best for you life.
The 4,5,6 are too crowded at this point. Trains go by where nobody can actually get on because there is no room on the trains. And some of the smaller stations are outright dangerous. The SAS should relieve pressure on the 4,5,6 trains.
The irony here is that the 5 train's reason to exist is to provide relief to the 2 train in the Bronx and Brooklyn and the 4 train in Manhattan.
And the 5 train itself is bursting at the seems.
It would've been nice if after all these years of planning, politics,etc., the 2nd Avenue Subway went down to say... Houston Street or even 42nd - it would be likely be looked at more fondly.
The irony here is that the 5 train's reason to exist is to provide relief to the 2 train in the Bronx and Brooklyn and the 4 train in Manhattan.
And the 5 train itself is bursting at the seems.
It would've been nice if after all these years of planning, politics,etc., the 2nd Avenue Subway went down to say... Houston Street or even 42nd - it would be likely be looked at more fondly.
Of course but to make it go all the way downtown will cost even more money. So as soon as the money is actually allocated for it things can proceed.
The problem isn't the distance to the subway, it's the overcrowding on the existing subway. The system simply needs more capacity to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by juppiter
The 4,5,6 are too crowded at this point. Trains go by where nobody can actually get on because there is no room on the trains. And some of the smaller stations are outright dangerous. The SAS should relieve pressure on the 4,5,6 trains.
This I know. I take the 4 daily. The 4 is always more crowded than the 5. People stand on the platform 125th and can't get on it to go to the Bronx cause its too packed. So its not really gonna help the People uptown and in the Bronx. The train will still be packed and people will still stand on the platform waiting to get on.
The issue is that cause the 4 and 5 trains merge to one track at 125th street they can't run more trains cause they need to alternate between the 4 and 5.
I bet there are more people who need to get from the UES, over to the west side, and down, than need to go straight down the east side, especially along 2nd Avenue in midtown. That's really a residential area. It doesn't get really commercial till 3rd Ave.
By contrast, the entire Broadway corridor is heavily commercial. Since it cuts over on 63rd to Broadway, a lot of riders will use the Q train instead of the 6, for the one seat ride over to and down the west side. This will take a lot of pressure off the 6
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Originally Posted by K 22
It would've been nice if after all these years of planning, politics,etc., the 2nd Avenue Subway went down to say... Houston Street or even 42nd - it would be likely be looked at more fondly.
I bet there are more people who need to get from the UES, over to the west side, and down, than need to go straight down the east side, especially along 2nd Avenue in midtown. That's really a residential area. It doesn't get really commercial till 3rd Ave.
By contrast, the entire Broadway corridor is heavily commercial. Since it cuts over on 63rd to Broadway, a lot of riders will use the Q train instead of the 6, for the one seat ride over to and down the west side. This will take a lot of pressure off the 6
This I know. I take the 4 daily. The 4 is always more crowded than the 5. People stand on the platform 125th and can't get on it to go to the Bronx cause its too packed. So its not really gonna help the People uptown and in the Bronx. The train will still be packed and people will still stand on the platform waiting to get on.
The issue is that cause the 4 and 5 trains merge to one track at 125th street they can't run more trains cause they need to alternate between the 4 and 5.
Whenever they build the entire Second Avenue Subway, there are proposals to build the Second Avenue Subway to the Bronx over the Metro North ROW. Of course unless the next President funds public transportation in NYCat the level of well over 100 billion dollars, this isn't happening any time soon.
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