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Old 01-16-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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Personally I don't like public housing either. I think it creates a "hood" culture. But if the projects are already there what can you really do about them, removing the projects would be even worse at this point. The best solution I would think would be slowly converting housing in the projects into slightly below market rates, moving more middle class people in
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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Completely speechless
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:40 PM
 
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Once again you don't know what the heck you are talking about.


Not everyone living in PJs are low income, poor, welfare, etc..... You have a good percentage of NYC and NYS civil servants, teachers, and others. This varies by location and is by no means a large majority but it is worth noting many NYC and NYS civil service jobs do *NOT* pay very well. Outside of the uniformed services and perhaps a few others you've got people working for NYC that pretty much could qualify for welfare.


For such persons NYCHA (good depending upon the project), Section 8 (better if they can find someplace nice that will take the voucher), and finally Mitchell-Lama (probably TOL) is the best they are going to do unless or until they can swing more income.


City on the Edge: The Problems, Policies, Politics and People of NYCHA | Observer
So if NYC civil servants are living in the projects, they are poor. If they are working low paid jobs, and yes there are low paid civil servant jobs, they are poor. If you have to depend on public housing and/or Section 8 vouchers to get by, you are poor. Call things what they are, but I suppose some people don't want to use the term poor to describe family and friends.

And to be honest, a security job in a NYC or NYS job is technically civil servant (as are the low level clerks) and they don't get paid much money either, and yes they are poor. Rich people don't go out and do those jobs. For that matter, well off people don't become police officers either. I doubt any of Trump's family ever wanted to become NYPD. You clearly need a large percentage of poor people in NYC to supply people who do working class jobs, whether janitorial, retail, kitchen, service sector (hotels, restaurants, bars) and low level civil servant jobs. So the people thinking NYC can somehow get rid of everyone on a government program are delusional, as it will NEVER happen.
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:50 PM
 
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Have posted this before and it is worth mentioning again.



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Old 01-16-2017, 10:03 PM
 
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So if NYC civil servants are living in the projects, they are poor. If they are working low paid jobs, and yes there are low paid civil servant jobs, they are poor. If you have to depend on public housing and/or Section 8 vouchers to get by, you are poor. Call things what they are, but I suppose some people don't want to use the term poor to describe family and friends.

And to be honest, a security job in a NYC or NYS job is technically civil servant (as are the low level clerks) and they don't get paid much money either, and yes they are poor. Rich people don't go out and do those jobs. For that matter, well off people don't become police officers either. I doubt any of Trump's family ever wanted to become NYPD. You clearly need a large percentage of poor people in NYC to supply people who do working class jobs, whether janitorial, retail, kitchen, service sector (hotels, restaurants, bars) and low level civil servant jobs. So the people thinking NYC can somehow get rid of everyone on a government program are delusional, as it will NEVER happen.

Well since it is *our* tax dollars that pay these "poor" civil servants you know where this is going don't you? Solution is just to pay them all a "living wage", but guess who pays for that generosity?


For the record not everyone in public housing is "poor" or anywhere near; and NYCHA is totally happy.


Family earning over $1 million living in NYC public housing | New York's PIX11 / WPIX-TV

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Old 01-16-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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I don't think public housing should exist in Manhattan. Move everyone from the projects to the Bronx.
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Old 01-16-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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New York City is arguably the safest major city in the US...this thread is racist, classist Bull****
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Old 01-16-2017, 10:43 PM
 
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I don't think public housing should exist in Manhattan. Move everyone from the projects to the Bronx.
Impossible, there are too many housing projects in Upper Manhattan and the LES. They can't move all those people out, and it would be making the Bronx far worse to concentrate all that poverty there. Bronx residents would never allow Manhattan to do this kind of dump on them. Truthfully those projects supply the working class base for low wage jobs IN Manhattan, and the fact that they can often walk work keeps a lot of people off the trains.

If you can't handle the fact Manhattan has projects, it's you who needs to leave.
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Old 01-17-2017, 12:39 AM
 
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Seriously just imagine if all the housing projects and all of its dwellers were extracted caged up and shipped off somewhere else. It would be a service for them and for the middle class and up in the city. Can you just imagine the quality of life we would all have in the Big Apple if we got rid of them? I say we tear them down offer one way tickets to rural areas with cheaper cost of living for the tenants and build new affordable condos, healthy grocery stores and other great amenities for the communities
Are you stupid? Housing projects created some talented people, from actors, musicians, even a executives from Starbucks to Goldman Sachs.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:20 AM
 
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That cannot be done.

Chicago destroyed it's housing projects, and now has a murder rate three times that of NYC's. They destroyed the projects, but resettled the residents in working class suburbs and working class neighborhoods of Chicago, which then became crime ridden ghettoes.

No other municipality is going to let NYC dump it's housing projects on them, and you cannot give people an one way ticket to another place if they have no place to stay.
Well, I'll give the OP this: He or she certainly chose the right username for himself/herself (re: "Perfect Illusion").
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