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Old 09-06-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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Deport adults sure, but if you were snuck into the country as a 2 year old, it's not your fault. You didn't choose to break the law. You aren't familiar with Mexico or whatever. You only know the USA. I wouldn't feel right kicking out someone like that.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:03 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Deport adults sure, but if you were snuck into the country as a 2 year old, it's not your fault. You didn't choose to break the law. You aren't familiar with Mexico or whatever. You only know the USA. I wouldn't feel right kicking out someone like that.
How can you deport the parent and not the child? If a child is here, he or she is here with their parent. Otherwise, find the parent and bring his/her child home. It's a humane thing to do.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:10 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Deport adults sure, but if you were snuck into the country as a 2 year old, it's not your fault. You didn't choose to break the law. You aren't familiar with Mexico or whatever. You only know the USA. I wouldn't feel right kicking out someone like that.
The law is the law, and when you start making exceptions to the law then the law becomes diluted and allows people to take advantage of it. Some people come here purposely to have their kids for this very reason, and we have to stop this abuse because they take advantage of the USA's kindness.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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Deport adults sure, but if you were snuck into the country as a 2 year old, it's not your fault. You didn't choose to break the law. You aren't familiar with Mexico or whatever. You only know the USA. I wouldn't feel right kicking out someone like that.
This exactly.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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I don't care, have any hate, love or sympathy for daca dreamers. They are just people who need help due to their parents illegally immigrating to the US. If the US population wants to curb immigration especially for whites and blacks who have been anti immigrant for thr past 200 years. It is time for America to realize that it needs to stop destabilizing low income countries. US needs to stop imposing, trade embargoes, unfavorable trade policies, invading, bombing, rigging foreign elections of entities creating class and racial tensions abroad. The US helped take out Gaddafi, Gaddafi held much economic aid to all of North and French West Africa. With him gone Africa is now destabilized. US destabilized much of Latin America, and the US should be happy because most of Latin America is now centrist and no longer extreme left like Guyana for example, or right wing like Dominican Republic. All the US had to do now is destabilize Venezuela and Cuba. If the the US stops it's destabilization in Africa, Latin America, Caribbean, South East Asia, middle east and eastern Europe. Native blacks and whites can be happy again, because less immigrants means more jobs and more wages for them.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I don't care, have any hate, love or sympathy for daca dreamers. They are just people who need help due to their parents illegally immigrating to the US. If the US population wants to curb immigration especially for whites and blacks who have been anti immigrant for thr past 200 years. It is time for America to realize that it needs to stop destabilizing low income countries. US needs to stop imposing, trade embargoes, unfavorable trade policies, invading, bombing, rigging foreign elections of entities creating class and racial tensions abroad. The US helped take out Gaddafi, Gaddafi held much economic aid to all of North and French West Africa. With him gone Africa is now destabilized. US destabilized much of Latin America, and the US should be happy because most of Latin America is now centrist and no longer extreme left like Guyana for example, or right wing like Dominican Republic. All the US had to do now is destabilize Venezuela and Cuba. If the the US stops it's destabilization in Africa, Latin America, Caribbean, South East Asia, middle east and eastern Europe. Native blacks and whites can be happy again, because less immigrants means more jobs and more wages for them.
Right, because Gaddafi was *such a good man*. Stabilized things alright... Helped stabilize corruption.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:22 AM
 
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I don't care, have any hate, love or sympathy for daca dreamers. They are just people who need help due to their parents illegally immigrating to the US. If the US population wants to curb immigration especially for whites and blacks who have been anti immigrant for thr past 200 years. It is time for America to realize that it needs to stop destabilizing low income countries. US needs to stop imposing, trade embargoes, unfavorable trade policies, invading, bombing, rigging foreign elections of entities creating class and racial tensions abroad. The US helped take out Gaddafi, Gaddafi held much economic aid to all of North and French West Africa. With him gone Africa is now destabilized. US destabilized much of Latin America, and the US should be happy because most of Latin America is now centrist and no longer extreme left like Guyana for example, or right wing like Dominican Republic. All the US had to do now is destabilize Venezuela and Cuba. If the the US stops it's destabilization in Africa, Latin America, Caribbean, South East Asia, middle east and eastern Europe. Native blacks and whites can be happy again, because less immigrants means more jobs and more wages for them.

Just remember that as a moral matter - For every person like yourself who says that some people have less rights in America because they are undocumented, there is someone else who is saying that you deserve less rights than them because their parents/grandparents/great grandparents etc. etc. came here "legally" and yours did not, they were born here and you were not, their parents/grandparents/great grandparents etc. etc. were born here and yours were not, and so on. You get into a slippery slope once you rank order people based on anything other than merit because someone else can easily make the case that they should rank ahead of you, which is why you see these white supremacists and neo Nazis strutting around.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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I don't know what you're talking about, but it has nothing to do with this issue. This is about existing children who were brought over the border illegally.

Getting back the the original issue, I'm usually pretty hawkish on illegal immigration, but I'm okay with making DACA an actual law (which it wasn't - it was just an executive order, and, likely, an illegal one at that.) These kids have grown up here. We've paid to educate them. Many are doing well and contributing. Unless particular ones are problems (and those we can deport) let them stay.

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The Hippocratic Oath prevents hospitals from turning away people. So now what.

Unless they midwife the baby
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:39 AM
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7th, are there any other countries that allow anchor babies to gain citizenship like that?

Its probably just the USA. I want to make it clear I do love how NYC allows people from all over the world to live here, Legally. But it has to be controlled. Laws must be enforced. We as a nation should no longer allow to be taken advantage of...
That's not want an anchor baby is. The big clue is in the word "anchor"
Birthright citizenship is what you are talking about - and no its not widespread only a minority of countries have that system. But it is an old US system.
An anchor baby is the notion of having a baby in a birthright citizenship country so that the non-citizen parents have a justifiable reason to stay in that country - ie they are anchored there.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:44 AM
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The law is the law, and when you start making exceptions to the law then the law becomes diluted and allows people to take advantage of it. Some people come here purposely to have their kids for this very reason, and we have to stop this abuse because they take advantage of the USA's kindness.


The law is the law. If you are born here you are a citizen. That's the law. Its been the law since at least the 1860s. And it was done not out of "kindness" but because 1860s America needed immigrants, and wanted them to stay.
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