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Old 01-07-2018, 03:16 PM
 
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The door was jimmied open. That is a break-in, not an attempted break-in.

The fact nothing was taken does not change it from being a felony burglary. No property damage so a police report wouldn't have helped me but as a good citizen I would think the police would want to know about crimes in their precinct. He could have sent a patrol car without making it seem like a waste of time for both of us.

I didn't tell the police how to do their job, I said I wanted the police to know about it in case there were other such burglaries in the neighborhood. The desk sergeant said he would pass the information to the burglary squad and they would contact me which they didn't.

I assume you are NYPD from your "location" so I appreciate you will defend them.
I'm not NYPD. Not defending them either. I'm just saying they offered to provide you with a report (for your records and their records) and you declined. So what more do you want them to do. Nothing was taken. Basically somebody opened your garage door unlawfully, and left. Nothing taken, no description of the perp, no evidence left behind, why waste time sending out a patrol car for that.

Get motion sensor lights and a security camera. Also time to upgrade that garage door. Criminals only hit places that they think they have a chance of hitting in the first place.

You want Matlock dusting for fingerprints and a patrol car to sit outside your house. For ultimately nothing. You should increase your house's security.

Doesn't even look like more than a misdemeanor to me:

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/articl...gulary#p140.00

The perp entered unlawfully, and thats it. Supposed he just wanted to break into your garage because it was cold outside and spend the night. You don't know because nothing was taken, so how are you going to prove the intent to steal?
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Old 01-07-2018, 03:32 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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It would be disastrous.
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I don't think that's an issue because the primary source of lead exposure was by far airborne motor exhaust of leaded fuels which are now 99.9999% gone. The remaining lead exposures are due to lead paint chips in old unmaintained buildings being eaten by young children. Even lead pipes aren't a major source of exposure because any lead pipes installed have long since built up a protective mineral crust (in Flint they changed the water source and didn't treat the water to save on money which ended up dissolving that crust because of a spike in acidity)
Right, it's a pet theory and I don't have much to stand on here. The leaded gasoline is mostly gone, but corroded pipes are still there. They changed the water source in Flint, but it still shunted through the same pipes and the acidity wasn't accounted for which lead to elevated lead levels and those lead levels are definitely within the bounds by which medical professionals would consider a serious issue. Several South Side Chicago schools, because that's where the testings were done, had tested for high lead levels and the question for me is given the leaded infrastructure for water in the area, what was it that caused these to knock out more lead? Is there a correlation to any kind of municipal practices which caused that? I think it makes sense to do a drill-down study to figure out if there's a common thread for why this is and what are the conditions to look for.

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progressive socialist? The guy is a straight up hard core communist

He is on record stating he wished he could dictate where everyone lived and worked and who earned what
I think the issue is how to discuss this given how encompassing these terms can be and how different these terms can be for different people and how annoying it'd be to have to write and read a massive treatise on what these terms mean for each and every person you're discussing this with. To me, a progressive socialist is not de Blasio nor is a communist. Also, to me a communist does not mean to me an authoritarian micro manager.
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Old 01-07-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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I'm not NYPD. Not defending them either. I'm just saying they offered to provide you with a report (for your records and their records) and you declined. So what more do you want them to do. Nothing was taken. Basically somebody opened your garage door unlawfully, and left. Nothing taken, no description of the perp, no evidence left behind, why waste time sending out a patrol car for that.

Get motion sensor lights and a security camera. Also time to upgrade that garage door. Criminals only hit places that they think they have a chance of hitting in the first place.

You want Matlock dusting for fingerprints and a patrol car to sit outside your house. For ultimately nothing. You should increase your house's security.

Doesn't even look like more than a misdemeanor to me:

Article 140 | NYS Penal Law |Burglary Criminal Trespass Laws

The perp entered unlawfully, and thats it. Supposed he just wanted to break into your garage because it was cold outside and spend the night. You don't know because nothing was taken, so how are you going to prove the intent to steal?
Not NYPD? OK. Not many people define their location by a precinct.

The sergeant didn't ask if I wanted them to send a car. He said they could send one but they wouldn't find the perp and nothing would be accomplished by doing so. Given that I said I wanted it to be known to the police in case there were other burglaries in the neighbor and that's when he said he would pass my contact info to the burglary squad. I assumed that is how it would be handled, I wasn't telling them to forget about it.

You are showing your age with these Matlock references. Never saw the show. Was he a cop? I thought he was a private eye. Whatever. Who said I wanted a patrol car sitting outside my house?

You seem to be making an excuse for the perp. He wasn't trying to get out of the cold. He was trying to steal something which is a class D felony, burglary in the 3rd degree.
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 140.20 | FindLaw

I now have a deadbolt lock on the door and I have a wireless infrared sensor in the garage that blasts an alarm in my house (not the garage) if someone opens the main door or side door. I will know if someone tries to enter my garage again.
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Old 01-07-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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Big brother also contributed. Cameras are literally everywhere. You’re a fuggin fool if you commit a major crime in public now. You’re basically caught
I think it's been shown that cameras generally do not deter crime.

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No. The credit for the low crime rate belongs to Giuliani, and to some extent Bloomberg. The fact that despite trying is dead level best Bla hasn't been able to f_uck it up yet, doesn't mean he gets credit for it. If he turned anything around, I'd give him credit. So far he hasn't.
I hope you understand that your implying that De Blasio actually wants the crime rate to rise totally invalidates any credibility you might have.




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Minus the fact that the streets are filthy , there are junkies everywhere, drug gangs are thriving and there are homeless/and or mental cases everywhere. Today a guy was murdered in the subway. The subways feel sketchy and police are on back off mode. I don't believe it at all. Bring back Giuliani!
Yeah, so a guy was murdered on the subway. Surely you don't think that negatives the overall statistics? What planet do you live on, that you imagine NYC will never again have a subway murder?

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Old 01-07-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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Not NYPD? OK. Not many people define their location by a precinct.

The sergeant didn't ask if I wanted them to send a car. He said they could send one but they wouldn't find the perp and nothing would be accomplished by doing so. Given that I said I wanted it to be known to the police in case there were other burglaries in the neighbor and that's when he said he would pass my contact info to the burglary squad. I assumed that is how it would be handled, I wasn't telling them to forget about it.

You are showing your age with these Matlock references. Never saw the show. Was he a cop? I thought he was a private eye. Whatever. Who said I wanted a patrol car sitting outside my house?

You seem to be making an excuse for the perp. He wasn't trying to get out of the cold. He was trying to steal something which is a class D felony, burglary in the 3rd degree.
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 140.20 | FindLaw

I now have a deadbolt lock on the door and I have a wireless infrared sensor in the garage that blasts an alarm in my house (not the garage) if someone opens the main door or side door. I will know if someone tries to enter my garage again.
How do you know he was stealing? How do you even know it was a he? For all you know they could have been drunk or high, could have been some kids screwing around, who knows. Had I have been in your situation, I probably wouldn't have even called. I would have just beefed up my security, and would have just been happy that nothing was taken. At the end of the day there's nothing really to follow up on.

Either way, you safed it up now, so good luck. It's not a good feeling knowing that you were violated, that's why you gotta take all the precautions you did. Glad you were able to buy the deadbolt and the sensor.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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I don't think he actively wants to increase crime. But I think suppressing it is somewhere down at 15 or 20 on his list mayoral priorities, behind a lot of politically correct bull$hit (much of which runs directly against the concept of keeping the city safe and livable). And it's only that high because he knows if it runs away again on his watch, it will be used against him in whatever he tries to run for next.

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I hope you understand that your implying that De Blasio actually wants the crime rate to rise totally invalidates any credibility you might have.
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Old 01-07-2018, 07:17 PM
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I don't think he actively wants to increase crime. But I think suppressing it is somewhere down at 15 or 20 on his list mayoral priorities, behind a lot of politically correct bull$hit (much of which runs directly against the concept of keeping the city safe and livable). And it's only that high because he knows if it runs away again on his watch, it will be used against him in whatever he tries to run for next.
Of course he doesn't want to increase crime. I despise deBlasio and all of his cronies, but I don't think he purposely wants to increase crime. However, the NYC-liberal ideology is so out of touch with reality that in a city so densely populated like NYC you need to put certain strict rules in place and can't have progressive social policies go nuts. That's what happened in Chicago and I feel we're one bad police commissioner away from a major meltdown in NYC.

I am concerned for the next 4 years.
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Old 01-07-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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progressive socialist? The guy is a straight up hard core communist

He is on record stating he wished he could dictate where everyone lived and worked and who earned what
Lol no he never said that, and that’s not what communism is either. In fact in communism people have more ability to work in the fields they want to. For instance in the Soviet Union in the 1970s, despite having 1/10th of the worlds population, 1/4 of the world’s doctors were soviet. This is because education was free and accessible and many more people were able to follow their dreams and become doctors. Here in the US medical school costs $500,000 and is extremely exclusive causing shortages of doctors across specialities especially in the inner-City.
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Old 01-07-2018, 07:54 PM
 
Location: NYC
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A lot of catch and release, decriminalizing minor offenses contributes to the lower crime rate. Hardly much changed, you can still get your iPhone snatched or your chains and pocket books snatched.
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:43 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Lol no he never said that, and that’s not what communism is either. In fact in communism people have more ability to work in the fields they want to. For instance in the Soviet Union in the 1970s, despite having 1/10th of the worlds population, 1/4 of the world’s doctors were soviet. This is because education was free and accessible and many more people were able to follow their dreams and become doctors. Here in the US medical school costs $500,000 and is extremely exclusive causing shortages of doctors across specialities especially in the inner-City.
exact quote follows:

"I think people all over this city, of every background, would like to have the city government be able to determine which building goes where, how high it will be, who gets to live in it, what the rent will be. I think there’s a socialistic impulse, which I hear every day, in every kind of community, that they would like things to be planned in accordance to their needs. And I would, too. Unfortunately, what stands in the way of that is hundreds of years of history that have elevated property rights and wealth to the point that that’s the reality that calls the tune on a lot of development.
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Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents"


- Bill DeBlasio, New York Magazine (September 2017)
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