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As long as there is an ncentive for a Federal goverment official with a need.
This is a dumb idea, with busses already filling the need. That N train already brings you to Sunset Park and Astoria. I doubt the hasidec community ,and any other group along the way,need to go to Astoria.
Can't our transplant mayor come up with a plan to help more than just those in Brooklyn? It barely goes into Queens, and excludes the Bronx and Staten Island in entirety. This city has actual needs. It shouldn't matter if his constituents are solely white fake progressives.
What is the point of building this? We already have a subway line that connects Long Island City to Greenpoint and (near) Red Hook, it's called the G Train.
What is the point of building this? We already have a subway line that connects Long Island City to Greenpoint and (near) Red Hook, it's called the G Train.
If you look at subway maps, you have more than one line going in the same direction. Manhattan has four North/South lines. Manhattan has 3 lines that provide crosstown. Manhattan has several lines that go to Queens, and multiple that go to various parts of Brooklyn.
Look at subway maps of other cities too, and you will have answered your question.
Plans got revised to have a shorter route that no longer goes to Sunset Park and 200 million increase for the price tag. At least this time around, the estimates are realistic in saying that the project will need federal funding and can’t pay entirely for itself (which was never quite true given how they defined what paying for itself means).
All in all, not a great plan. Sure, there’s a lot of new developments along the East River waterfront—but this is the wrong way to service that given its price tag. For that amount of money, signal priority can be put in place for the lights along the route and other routes, dedicated bus lanes can be painted and dedicated right of ways can be created, multiple door boarding can be trialed, bus stops can be improved and multiple newer buses with low level boarding and possibly capacitors/induction charging setups can be installed with some spare change to go. The mayor should be drumming up support for this better bus and rally the developers who so want this BQX boondoggle to make a new, much better showcase bus service. While it’s good that the city is trying to figure out how to improve transit and is entertaining different ideas, I think it should try to look at its own studies with a critical eye when the projections just aren’t very good.
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 09-05-2018 at 05:12 PM..
Plans got revised to have a shorter route that no longer goes to Sunset Park and 200 million increase for the price tag. At least this time around, the estimates are realistic in saying that the project will need federal funding and can’t pay entirely for itself (which was never quite true given how they defined what paying for itself means).
All in all, not a great plan. Sure, there’s a lot of new developments along the East River waterfront—but this is the wrong way to service that given its price tag. For that amount of money, signal priority can be put in place for the lights along the route and other routes, dedicated bus lanes can be painted and dedicated right of ways can be created, multiple door boarding can be trialed, bus stops can be improved and multiple newer buses with low level boarding and possibly capacitors/induction charging setups can be installed with some spare change to go. The mayor should be drumming up support for this better bus and rally the developers who so want this BQX boondoggle to make a new, much better showcase bus service. While it’s good that the city is trying to figure out how to improve transit and is entertaining different ideas, I think it should try to look at its own studies with a critical eye when the projections just aren’t very good.
Ahem:
"The new plan has a few major changes and many smaller ones. First, the BQX’s route has been altered. It no longer runs to Sunset Park; now, it ends in Gowanus and passes through Downtown Brooklyn instead of Dumbo. Second, it now costs $2.7 billion, an increase of $200 million despite the shorter route. Third, and most importantly, NYCEDC has officially scrapped the idea that the BQX could pay for itself. The development organization and de Blasio now concede that it would need roughly $1 billion in federal funding to make the project a reality, a particularly noteworthy admission considering there’s zero evidence the current federal government would fund this. "
"The new plan has a few major changes and many smaller ones. First, the BQX’s route has been altered. It no longer runs to Sunset Park; now, it ends in Gowanus and passes through Downtown Brooklyn instead of Dumbo. Second, it now costs $2.7 billion, an increase of $200 million despite the shorter route. Third, and most importantly, NYCEDC has officially scrapped the idea that the BQX could pay for itself. The development organization and de Blasio now concede that it would need roughly $1 billion in federal funding to make the project a reality, a particularly noteworthy admission considering there’s zero evidence the current federal government would fund this. "
What are you ahem-ing me for? You just recapped the same thing I said, didn't you?
It's not a good plan and their own projections help bear that out. The area being discussed does need better transit because we rezoned so much of it and developers kept on being developers. I think a showcase bus rapid transit system with a lot of the elements they wanted for the BQX but in a much, much less expensive bus form that can also trial technologies and procedures that can be rolled out to the rest of the bus system is a far better idea. The study is still usable and they did identify why the corridor needs better transit--it's just that pushing for the BQX as light rail given what they've learned from the study is basically not having learned anything from the study that makes sense in practice. That curbed link basically points to what the study found, but took it and applied it to buses instead with this quote:
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The new plan acknowledges these challenges, conceding “signal prioritization and exclusive right-of-way for streetcar service is essential to the success of BQX as without these features, streetcars will be stuck in traffic and not be able to achieve the travel times needed to gain ridership.” As it happens, that sentence perfectly describes the city’s bus service, which would benefit just as much from exclusive rights-of-way and constant green lights as a $2.7 billion streetcar.
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 09-05-2018 at 06:22 PM..
What are you ahem-ing me for? You just recapped the same thing I said, didn't you?
It's not a good plan and their own projections help bear that out. The area being discussed does need better transit because we rezoned so much of it and developers kept on being developers. I think a showcase bus rapid transit system with a lot of the elements they wanted for the BQX but in a much, much less expensive bus form that can also trial technologies and procedures that can be rolled out to the rest of the bus system is a far better idea. The study is still usable and they did identify why the corridor needs better transit--it's just that pushing for the BQX as light rail given what they've learned from the study is basically not having learned anything from the study that makes sense in practice. That curbed link basically points to what the study found, but took it and applied it to buses instead with this quote:
Was just bringing the linked details into the open, nothing more and certainly not an attack on yourself.
i dont think we have to worry about this, it would not happen in our life times anyway.
waste of money
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