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Old 06-26-2019, 09:40 PM
 
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In fact I think the biggest complainers here are not and have never been New Yorkers. A normal person from a place would have a lot more pride in it, though they might criticize things they don’t like.

Again have to ask; why are *YOU* here then?

I've never met anyone who moved away from something yet continues to check much as you seem to do.

Even when you were supposedly residing in NYC your views or whatever on reality often didn't match anything the rest of us experienced. Yet you move half way around the world and still cannot help yourself; opining or otherwise telling those who actually *live* in NYC how things should be.

Don't you speak, read and or write Spanish well enough to go spread some of your sunshine in the Madrid/Spain forum?
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Old 06-27-2019, 12:47 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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^ Also when he was here and got into exchanges with other posters, he'd always dismiss the opinion of anyone who weren't physically in NYC. Now that it is him, he doesn't think it applies.
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Old 06-27-2019, 06:46 AM
 
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Hmm, a few people reply to Writerdude but don't even talk about the content of his arguments. That is kind of pathetic.

You know what else is pathetic? When Cuomo was pushing Amazon, all of you crazies were against it until AOC took your side, suddenly your worldview shifted because a politician you liked even less joined on your side. That tells me your opinions are never based in facts, only feelings. Take a good look at yourself and try to be a little more self aware.
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Old 06-27-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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^ Because the content of his argument has already been talked about ad nauseam. This thread is 15 pages long. Tell me, what he or you or anyone want to say that hasn't been said already?
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Old 06-27-2019, 11:52 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Fabulous. Fun days at the pool, amazing parties, great red wine, among many other things.

It’s the summer time too.
Right on, homie!
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Old 06-27-2019, 12:34 PM
 
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It's not out of delusion, it's that we don't want socialism. We do not want what happened to France and Venezuela to happen here. Who the hell cares if the rich get richer? I'm not expected to starve anytime soon. There's nothing wrong with tax credits if those credits will reap huge returns.

I'd also go swimming. I just don't feel like taking Amtrak Upstate to my aunts house. I'll probably schedule it for another time, though ... having to work only three days a week gets boring during the summer.
The problem with the lot of you is you bandy about the term SOCIALISM as a term for "anything you don't like." No one is advocating for a totalitarian corrupt regime of despots. No one is advocating for a SINGLE gross domestic product. No one is advocating for any of the evils ya'll talk about it.

People are advocating for public policy that benefits the more rather than the less. People are advocating for public policy that has proven to be effective in first world countries that we respect. It's called social democracy which is something that is part and parcel with a mixed economy.... one that the US already is. It's a matter of balancing. Right now, we have unchecked corporatists capitalism that only benefits the few, hurts small businesses, hurts the general population, and sucks the middle class of their surplus productivity. Given how much money is intertwined with public policy, it isn't very far away from a fascists environment. (Though I'm sure you'll never recognize it for what it is.) These masters of the universe DON'T create anything. Most of them get hired for a job in the C-suite, they didn't build it. They piggy back on the hard work of others. There is plenty of prosperity to go around. There is no scarcity. It should be more equitably distributed, not hoarded by putting money back INTO a company, not just to shareholders.
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:58 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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It's not out of delusion, it's that we don't want socialism. We do not want what happened to France and Venezuela to happen here. Who the hell cares if the rich get richer? I'm not expected to starve anytime soon. There's nothing wrong with tax credits if those credits will reap huge returns.

I'd also go swimming. I just don't feel like taking Amtrak Upstate to my aunts house. I'll probably schedule it for another time, though ... having to work only three days a week gets boring during the summer.
If you're lumping France and Venezuela together, then that's a huge gamut you're running. The problem seems to be with what you're defining as socialism.

The rich getting richer isn't necessarily by itself a problem--the problem is the rich getting richer in a way that isn't a rising tide that's lifting all boats. Rather, it's a political system that allows a nearly unlimited amount of money to influence legislation to directly benefit just such a small group and to the detriment of others.

Sure, a tax credit that reaps huge returns for the city is great if that's the only way to do it, but the issue in Amazon's case was that there was little to support that being the case. NYC is getting those jobs anyways at pretty much the same pace as when the bid awards announced as Amazon greatly expands here in order to stay competitive and now without receiving tax credits that weren't as of right (and the as of right incentives they are taking are still arguably overly generous). It doesn't seem economically rational to essentially over incentivize and directing more than necessary funding from state coffers for no particular gain.

It's funny that you're mentioning taking Amtrak going upstate when public services and infrastructure such as Amtrak has been long underfunded with our passenger rail system being in fairly poor condition, ponderously slow, and relatively infrequent and yet quite expensive compared to that of other developed nations such as France's.
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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The problem with the lot of you is you bandy about the term SOCIALISM as a term for "anything you don't like." No one is advocating for a totalitarian corrupt regime of despots. No one is advocating for a SINGLE gross domestic product. No one is advocating for any of the evils ya'll talk about it.

People are advocating for public policy that benefits the more rather than the less. People are advocating for public policy that has proven to be effective in first world countries that we respect. It's called social democracy which is something that is part and parcel with a mixed economy.... one that the US already is. It's a matter of balancing. Right now, we have unchecked corporatists capitalism that only benefits the few, hurts small businesses, hurts the general population, and sucks the middle class of their surplus productivity. Given how much money is intertwined with public policy, it isn't very far away from a fascists environment. (Though I'm sure you'll never recognize it for what it is.) These masters of the universe DON'T create anything. Most of them get hired for a job in the C-suite, they didn't build it. They piggy back on the hard work of others. There is plenty of prosperity to go around. There is no scarcity. It should be more equitably distributed, not hoarded by putting money back INTO a company, not just to shareholders.
Fair comments. Those bezos worshippers should read and reflect...

The C-class citizens are extremely overpaid and under taxed, who are the bigger suckers that make life hard for the mid class whiners. Those welfare beaters are losers but their impact on your well being is minimal compared to the 0.1%. Get your values straight and fight the right group of suckers that can help relieve your pain more efficiently.
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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Pretty much all Spaniards are employed regardless of education.

CIA Factbooo is like reading encyclopedia Britannica. It’s cute that a kid in elementary school can do so, but in reality it means you have no real knowledge about a subject. You have no real work experience, academic knowledge, or even personal experience in Europe a d the post you can do is spout random supposed factoids taming ridiculous.


https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/04/25...34_666520.html


As of April it was just under 15%. Unless you tell us that massive job creation occurred in 2 months its not that good in Spain.


Put it this way whites in Spain are less likely to be employed than are blacks in the USA.
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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Just an FYI, those who are afraid of "taxing the rich"...



Feel free to tax the rich if you wish but please take the time to understand how they are taxed. There isn't a zero% rate for billionaires. Its that there advisors are smart enough to ensure that their income is recognized in ways that its taxed more favorably and of course numerous loop holes exist.


So you can raise taxes to 100% if you wish but until you do the work to figure out how to increase the EFFECTIVE tax rates of the rich you aren't going to get much done.


Please don't for one minute think that the rich paid as much as 90% marginal rates in the 50s. You do know why tax shelters were developed as well as tax havens! And with a more globalized economy tax avoidance has become easier than ever. Note that I said "avoidance" and not "evasion". One can bet that Bezos isn't breaking any tax laws.
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