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Old 01-21-2020, 05:13 PM
 
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This whole debate is moot. No policy is going to stop migration from other states. There won’t be re-education camps to help transplants fit in. The educated and ambitious people will continue to come to New York because it’s a global vibrant city. The city officials should want them for the tax base, but they won’t stop them either way.

Most people who complain likely receive government benefits or reside in subsidized housing. They are used to handouts and complaining.

Whatever is said and done, people gonna keep coming or keep leaving without paying attention to the echo chambers like Adams.
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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As much as I can't bring myself to vote for Donald Trump when I relocate (again) permanently to Florida, I really want him to win. The hypocrisy is maddening -- why isn't he chasing out the illegals?
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:13 PM
 
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This whole debate is moot. No policy is going to stop migration from other states. There won’t be re-education camps to help transplants fit in. The educated and ambitious people will continue to come to New York because it’s a global vibrant city. The city officials should want them for the tax base, but they won’t stop them either way.

Most people who complain likely receive government benefits or reside in subsidized housing. They are used to handouts and complaining.

Whatever is said and done, people gonna keep coming or keep leaving without paying attention to the echo chambers like Adams.
You're missing entire point.......

Whites represent < 50% of NYC (around 44% as of last census). African American or otherwise "black" descent is far less (14% as of last census), and dropping. Yet you only have to look at policies and politics both in Albany and NYC to see who is driving things.

Three out of four highest offices in Albany are held by blacks; attorney general, speaker of state senate and assembly. Downstate in NYC things aren't that much different, but never less same driving political forces.

Both in Albany and city black politicians in cahoots with progressive democrats have managed to make every single GD thing a race issue. Pick one; from bail reform, marijuana laws, affordable/low income housing, banning employers from asking about criminal backgrounds, banning employers from doing credit checks, etc... giving away taxpayer money to "prevent evictions", all of it while on face speaks of "inclusion" or whatever is aimed towards one demographic in particular.

Sam the Eagle has consistently polled low among whites, and his second term has seen those numbers drop still further. But with AA's he is up there with Abraham Lincoln and FDR. His poll numbers within that demographic are high and climbing, and why shouldn't they be? Mayor's "equality" or whatever push largely benefits all sorts of schemes and policies that largely benefit AAs.

Examine latest voting data for city and things become clear, AA's themselves as a demographic can only influence certain elections on their own, this is largely in areas where they dominate population. Otherwise they need either low overall voter participation rates, and or to cosign with other groups. For some strange reason white (transplants) and other "woke" people for now are voting democratic. Which suits AAs fine as they will take city and Albany wins any way they can get them.

http://nyccfb.info/media/reports/201...alysis-report/
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:22 PM
 
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Eric Adams is undoubtedly a racist for sure. Always has been, however I do agree in this case that it's time something is done about gentrification. This should also apply to foreigners, like the Chinese, displacing decades of white ethnics in places like Flushing, Bayside, Whitestone and Fresh Meadows. If you grew up in these areas, you likely can't afford to buy a coop or house due to the ridiculous valuations driven by Chinese cash buyers. And by Chinese, I mean foreign born Chinese. Not even Chinese Americans can afford to live in the places they grew up. Real damn shame.
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Old 01-21-2020, 07:31 PM
 
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Eric Adams is undoubtedly a racist for sure. Always has been, however I do agree in this case that it's time something is done about gentrification. This should also apply to foreigners, like the Chinese, displacing decades of white ethnics in places like Flushing, Bayside, Whitestone and Fresh Meadows. If you grew up in these areas, you likely can't afford to buy a coop or house due to the ridiculous valuations driven by Chinese cash buyers. And by Chinese, I mean foreign born Chinese. Not even Chinese Americans can afford to live in the places they grew up. Real damn shame.
Chinese are invading Staten Island as well, but guess what? None of it would be happening if people didn't sell their homes to just anyone with a bag of cash. This includes developers always on prowl for property they can tear down one house and put up either one huge disaster, or shove as many townhouses as possible onto a single lot.

People don't care about their neighborhood anymore; they will sell to first person who shows up and meets their (often over inflated) number. All over SI have seen it time and time again; people are listing properties for insane amounts for what they are, and no one with sense is taking bait. That is aside from two main groups; Orthodox Jews and Asians; who often show up with bags of cash ready to buy *NOW*.

This is why areas you mentioned and others are clearing out; not some vast conspiracy of gentrification. Lots of people got burned in last recession/fiscal crisis. Having paid way to much for their homes many are only one step from being underwater with their mortgage, or perhaps seeking a big payout.

Real estate people have pulled same stunts for ages. Once an area has tipped they prey upon those left that unless sell soon their homes will be worth less. Some just put two and two together on their own....
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Old 01-21-2020, 08:24 PM
 
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You're missing entire point.......

Whites represent < 50% of NYC (around 44% as of last census). African American or otherwise "black" descent is far less (14% as of last census), and dropping. Yet you only have to look at policies and politics both in Albany and NYC to see who is driving things.

Three out of four highest offices in Albany are held by blacks; attorney general, speaker of state senate and assembly. Downstate in NYC things aren't that much different, but never less same driving political forces.

Both in Albany and city black politicians in cahoots with progressive democrats have managed to make every single GD thing a race issue. Pick one; from bail reform, marijuana laws, affordable/low income housing, banning employers from asking about criminal backgrounds, banning employers from doing credit checks, etc... giving away taxpayer money to "prevent evictions", all of it while on face speaks of "inclusion" or whatever is aimed towards one demographic in particular.

Sam the Eagle has consistently polled low among whites, and his second term has seen those numbers drop still further. But with AA's he is up there with Abraham Lincoln and FDR. His poll numbers within that demographic are high and climbing, and why shouldn't they be? Mayor's "equality" or whatever push largely benefits all sorts of schemes and policies that largely benefit AAs.

Examine latest voting data for city and things become clear, AA's themselves as a demographic can only influence certain elections on their own, this is largely in areas where they dominate population. Otherwise they need either low overall voter participation rates, and or to cosign with other groups. For some strange reason white (transplants) and other "woke" people for now are voting democratic. Which suits AAs fine as they will take city and Albany wins any way they can get them.

2018-2019 Voter Analysis Report | New York City Campaign Finance Board
Yeah, there’s a big push toward ‘restorative justice’ and AAs and their allies on the left feel emboldened. Somehow every issue is analyzed through a racial equity lense or something.
But I don’t know how they can keep the transplants out ( their pipe dream) short of a bust economy, I guess their move would be to end tax breaks for new housing ( condos etc) but this would affect everyone looking to buy.
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Old 01-21-2020, 08:29 PM
 
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Eric Adams is undoubtedly a racist for sure. Always has been, however I do agree in this case that it's time something is done about gentrification. This should also apply to foreigners, like the Chinese, displacing decades of white ethnics in places like Flushing, Bayside, Whitestone and Fresh Meadows. If you grew up in these areas, you likely can't afford to buy a coop or house due to the ridiculous valuations driven by Chinese cash buyers. And by Chinese, I mean foreign born Chinese. Not even Chinese Americans can afford to live in the places they grew up. Real damn shame.
That’s very true. The Chinese are snapping up a lot of properties on LI too, on the rich north shore.
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Old 01-21-2020, 10:07 PM
 
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Yeah, there’s a big push toward ‘restorative justice’ and AAs and their allies on the left feel emboldened. Somehow every issue is analyzed through a racial equity lense or something.
But I don’t know how they can keep the transplants out ( their pipe dream) short of a bust economy, I guess their move would be to end tax breaks for new housing ( condos etc) but this would affect everyone looking to buy.
Missing from Eric Adams and others rant on same subject is that often *blacks* (along with Latino/Hispanic) are the ones selling their properties in these "gentrified" areas. Often getting very good money in the process.

Plenty of AAs cashed out of Harlem, Bedford-Stuyvesant, Bushwick, and other parts of Brooklyn. Ditto for areas of North Shore on SI.

Furthermore Eric Adams and others need to stop acting as if many of these areas were long time black/people of color areas; because that just isn't true.

Late as 1960's or 1970's large areas of Brooklyn (Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, Bedford-Stuyvesant, Bushwick, Flatbush, etc.. still had sizable white populations. It was the famous blackout and subsequent looting that was last straw for many who moved out/closed their businesses. That is when others began moving in....
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Old 01-22-2020, 07:00 AM
 
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Mr.Confidence Man sell me some BS... FOLLOW the $$$$$....

Transplants are not the issue here. The USA is a FREE country. People can move to where-ever they want. The real issue is landlords, developers, etc in bed with government officials.

"Adams set up the “One Brooklyn Fund” his first year in office in 2014, raising at least $995,000 and as much $2.9 million by March 2018, according to filings with the city’s Conflicts of Interest Board.

The nonprofit — which is officially linked to the borough president’s office — lets wealthy donors curry favor with Adams without running afoul of rules barring city candidates from raising money from corporations, limited liability companies and partnerships."

"The Walentas family, which runs the powerful real estate development firm Two Trees Management, has showered both Adams and One Brooklyn with cash.

The Walentas Foundation gave One Brooklyn between $45,000 and $140,000 from April 2015 to September 2017, disclosures show. David Walentas and his wife Jane also gave the Adams campaign a combined $5,500 last year. Jed Walentas, CEO of Two Trees, gave Adams $400 and bundled another $5,100 in donations
."

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...jua-story.html
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Old 01-22-2020, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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"I thought telling people to go back to where they came from was racist or something...."





only when whitey speaks about it......
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