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CBS2 obtained a report from the city’s Office of Criminal Justice that throws cold water on Shea’s bail reform argument. It shows that 9.7% of defendants were released without bail for gun crimes, before bail reform was passed. It fell to 3.5% after bail reform was enacted.
NYPD’s own stats debunk claims of bail reform leading to spike in gun violence
By Craig McCarthy, Carl Campanile and Aaron Feis
July 8, 2020
State bail reform and coronavirus-related releases from city jails are not driving this year’s surge in shootings, the NYPD’s own data shows — despite the insistence of department brass to the contrary.
While the surge in gunplay is undeniable, a Post analysis of department data found that most people released under the criminal justice reforms or amid the pandemic had no known ties to the bloodshed — with criminal justice experts saying the cops should focus on the flow of illegal guns into the city instead of playing the “blame game.”
Though the city logged 528 shooting incidents through June 30 — a 46 percent spike from the 362 tallied at the same point last year — just one person released under the statewide bail reform laws passed Jan. 1 has been charged with a shooting, according to a breakdown provided by the NYPD.
In fact, just 91 of the approximately 11,000 people sprung from Rikers Island under the initiative — or 0.8 percent — have been found to be anywhere near a shooting this year, the figures show.
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Yet other NY Post Op-eds say bail reform is a problem:
NY lawmakers may fear voter wrath over bail reform — yet refuse to fix it properly
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“Insanity,” tweeted NYPD Commissioner Dermot Shea in response to the story. “No other way to describe the resulting crime that has flowed from disastrous bail-reform law.”
New York State’s bail reform law debate rages on
By Dave Fidlin | The Center Square contributor Oct 4, 2021
The original iteration of the law went into effect Jan. 1, 2020, eliminating cash requirements in a sweeping number of pretrial cases, save for violent felonies. Six months later, a range of offenses – including crimes resulting in death and second-degree burglary – were added back onto the list.
But as 2021 inches toward the finish lines, state lawmakers and other advocacy organizations continue to seek out new changes.
On one end of the argument, concerns have been raised about repeat offenders committing crimes; on the other end, continued calls for racial and income equity have been sounded on the argument cash bail requirements unfairly punish lower income people.
Crisis At Rikers: How NYC Judges Fueled An Increase In The City’s Jail Population
Setting aside whether a judge’s reasoning for imposing bail conforms with the law’s narrow confines about the likelihood of a person returning to court, how frequently a judge sets bail is often a function of the political climate.
In early 2020, after the legislature’s landmark bail reforms went into effect, judges’ pre-trial decisions contributed to a sharp reduction in the city's jail population. But as shootings in the city rose—and as tabloids and law enforcement waged a successful battle to partially scale back the bail reform law—court data suggests the judiciary became increasingly unable, or unwilling, to follow the law. Judges routinely made decisions that detained people pre-trial, even when the city’s statistical tool for assessing flight risk indicated they were likely to return to court. (Like other jurisdictions, New York City uses a computer algorithm to help
judges’ track records are hardly uniform, according to court data released this summer.
An analysis by Gothamist/WNYC and New York Focus shows that, in 2020, New York City’s judges held or set bail on 46% of defendants facing charges in which bail could be applied—and some judges went well past this average.
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To judge this, whether or not bail reform is responsible the rise shootings
you have to prove whatever the conclusion with arrest and recidivism data
That is not gonna happen, people want more decriminalization and forgiveness until the crime happens to their own families. Every NYer love democrat policy of reducing criminal population in prisons and letting criminals go home with covid. Then once a criminal kills or robs them, that's when they switch their stance on bail reforms and letting go of criminals.
That is not gonna happen, people want more decriminalization and forgiveness until the crime happens to their own families. Every NYer love democrat policy of reducing criminal population in prisons and letting criminals go home with covid. Then once a criminal kills or robs them, that's when they switch their stance on bail reforms and letting go of criminals.
Most don't want more decriminalization and forgiveness. I'm not sure why you believe that most want more.
This is NYC politicians catering to the woke national narrative because they have national.ambitons .
I don't think that even most people in the hood in NYC want more decriminalization and forgiveness.
Most don't want more decriminalization and forgiveness. I'm not sure why you believe that most want more.
This is NYC politicians catering to the woke national narrative because they have national.ambitons .
I don't think that even most people in the hood in NYC want more decriminalization and forgiveness.
All these democrat voters if they cared, then stop voting for the same party that championed bail reform. Cuomo signed it to law, so he's out. Now the next governor's turn to get tough on crime.
It's basically a way for the city to free up its jails from over population. Criminals will commit crime regardless they are in jail or out free. It's a matter of time, but bail reform gives them more time to commit even more crime until a persecutor gets tough and recommends bail set.
NY doesn't have a crime deterrent. Whether you supply these criminals with never ending supply of gift cards or weed, they will still go out and hurt people. I'm at point where I know many people cannot be reformed, every other country that has low crime rate has very tough criminal laws.
but bail reform gives them more time to commit even more crime until a persecutor gets tough and recommends bail set.
do you know what the purpose of bail is?
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