City To Allow Non-Citzens to Vote in Municipal Elections (Adams: salary, lawsuit)
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“Immigrants pay taxes, they use city services, their kids go to our public schools. They are part of our community. And they deserve a say in local government," said City Council Speaker Corey Johnson.
The bill, which has long been a priority of immigrant rights groups, applies to permanent residents known as green card holders and those with work authorizations, a group that comprises an estimated 800,000 New Yorkers.
It allows them to vote in municipal elections beginning in 2023, when all 51 Council seats will be up for grabs. It does not apply to state or federal elections.
The bill does not apply to undocumented immigrants.
I've lived in 6 other countries and all but one, in the middle East, allowed anyone resident in the country to vote in national elections. One of them required all residents, including foreigners, to vote. I never voted in any of those countries, and was out of the country on vacation where it was mandatory.
Which country, and what type of vote was it? I still think it's a bit silly.
What you believe is "comprehensive welfare" in Europe (even in th Scandinavian nations) pales in comparison to NYCs welfare state.
Go take a look at labor participation rates across European nations with "comprehensive" welfare. They don't have nearly as many people on welfare as many in the US believe.
Are you saying free high quality education across the board (from childhood to university) and free healthcare is something NYC has to offer? Even to some? That sounds like a mismatch.
Because if free high quality education was on the table for some underprivileged people, I would think the social elevator would work much better in NYC.
It's not a recent "liberal" concept at all and was widespread in the 18th 19th centuries.
"Beginning as early as 1704, noncitizen immigrants voted legally in what would become the
United States of America, casting ballots in local, state, and federal elections. By the end of
the eighteenth century, noncitizen immigrants had voted in twelve of the original thirteen
states. Politicians welcomed noncitizen voting as an incentive for white Europeans of
working age to emigrate. "
It's not a recent "liberal" concept at all and was widespread in the 18th 19th centuries.
"Beginning as early as 1704, noncitizen immigrants voted legally in what would become the
United States of America, casting ballots in local, state, and federal elections. By the end of
the eighteenth century, noncitizen immigrants had voted in twelve of the original thirteen
states. Politicians welcomed noncitizen voting as an incentive for white Europeans of
working age to emigrate. "
These ideas were popular during times of expansion or great conflict, before this was even a country with actual laws regulating immigration, and before the concept of "citizenship" had any proper meaning. Notice that the analysis in your quoted dissertation (lol) ends in 1924, when our immigration laws were changed dramatically by the Johnson-Reed Act - itself a "beefing up" of the Immigration Act of 1917, which was pretty much the first time we regulated immigration on a national level at all.
Apples and oranges. But hey, whatever post-facto explanation you want to use.
There has been an erosion in the concept of a citizen, and NYC is leading the way. Anyone may now enter this country without fear of legal consequences. The immigration laws are essentially null and void. The concept of a citizen goes way back.
“Immigrants pay taxes, they use city services, their kids go to our public schools. They are part of our community. And they deserve a say in local government," said City Council Speaker Corey Johnson.
The bill, which has long been a priority of immigrant rights groups, applies to permanent residents known as green card holders and those with work authorizations, a group that comprises an estimated 800,000 New Yorkers.
It allows them to vote in municipal elections beginning in 2023, when all 51 Council seats will be up for grabs. It does not apply to state or federal elections.
The bill does not apply to undocumented immigrants.
The bill doesn't apply to illegal immigrants, yet. But the rationale for giving the vote to legal permanent residents--still objectionable IMO--is the same as it is for illegal aliens. It's only a matter of time before Dems lump them in.
Don't think many have read entire bill and or understand what city council did....
Law applies not just to those with green cards, but temporary work authorizations, "Dreamers" and others who aren't citizens or legal residents as well.
Some eejit can come to NYC from anywhere outside of USA, say on temporary work permit such as maybe acting, modeling, sports, etc... and long as they have been in city at least 30 days can register to and vote.
The whole thing is one huge effing colossal hot mess that even other city and state agencies warned would be complicated if not impossible to implement.
NYC elections do not occur in a vacuum, but run along with state and federal. How is board of elections (who cannot even cope with their current mandate) supposed to tease out aliens, green card holders, etc.. from those legally allowed to vote in federal or statewide elections?
Ydanis Rodriguez pushed through this law because he was an illegal alien until marrying a US citizen, that allowed him to enter political life.
Outgoing city council as with much else of what they've done for past eight years won't be around to deal with outcome. Nor do they pay city's legal bills for what surely will follow moment bill becomes law; a flurry of legal action.
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