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I am talking about in terms of actual numbers. Is there more people in Throgs Neck that needs to go to Lower Manhattan than say College Point or Sheepshead Bay? Your statement would literally apply for every community but that doesn’t mean a ferry is economically feasible for every community.
I have no problem with all three neighborhoods getting a ferry, although Sheepshead is has the B and Q (western end, that is!). I am for making all areas of the city as accessible as possible.
It might work for point-to-point trips but it can't match the capacity of a single subway train and can't service multiple stops in an efficient manner. I was supportive of the NYC Ferry when it launched a few years ago, but I have not yet seen its transformative effects.
So can any ferry work in NYC then, since a ferry boat can't transport as much people as a train?
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So can any ferry work in NYC then, since a ferry boat can't transport as much people as a train?
As I said, it might work for point to point trips. It might be a novelty for some people. But it has not yet been transformative (i.e., in terms of changing commuting behavior) to commuting habits.
As I said, it might work for point to point trips. It might be a novelty for some people. But it has not yet been transformative (i.e., in terms of changing commuting behavior) to commuting habits.
No. It means the entire ferry system runs the equivalent passenger numbers of 47 subway trains per week.
It is not a train though, so why are you comparing it to the subway for? It is supposed to serve areas that are transportation deserts, which are usually not as dense, so naturally they won't see heavy use, but people still need to get around. I watched the presentation the other day. This is a good thing for areas that have been historically starved of viable transit options.
By your logic, we should not have other transit options in areas like Forest Hills because Forest Hills has subway access, even though some parts are not near a subway.
It is not a train though, so why are you comparing it to the subway for? It is supposed to serve areas that are transportation deserts, which are usually not as dense, so naturally they won't see heavy use, but people still need to get around. I watched the presentation the other day. This is a good thing for areas that have been historically starved of viable transit options.
By your logic, we should not have other transit options in areas like Forest Hills because Forest Hills has subway access, even though some parts are not near a subway.
Read the first post. There is a quote from de Blasio stating "Let’s go farther, let’s build a ferry system that reaches every corner of the city.” So yes, some people may have been harboring (or hyping?) bigger ambitions for the ferry.
I have no problem with all three neighborhoods getting a ferry, although Sheepshead is has the B and Q (western end, that is!). I am for making all areas of the city as accessible as possible.
That’s just dumb. That’s a good way to run anything into the ground financially. It’s about investing in something that provides the most return. Yeah, accessibility for all parts of the city is ideal but it is just not feasible given that the city does not have infinite money. Spending millions subsidizing a service where it only serves a small number of people is just silly. That ferry money could be better used to fix or build things around the city that are much more useful, for many more people.
So can any ferry work in NYC then, since a ferry boat can't transport as much people as a train?
The SI ferry is an example of one that works in NYC. Staten Island does not have any train connections to the rest of the city and it is an entire borough. That is when a ferry works. None of the other boroughs have this problem.
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It is supposed to serve areas that are transportation deserts, which are usually not as dense, so naturally they won't see heavy use, but people still need to get around. I watched the presentation the other day. This is a good thing for areas that have been historically starved of viable transit options.
