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Old 01-22-2022, 07:36 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Any ideas on how to keep costs low? While I understand your concerns, I'm not just going to complain without offering solutions.
Ask the people running the city and running the prisons. They have the data on costs and charges and where it all goes.
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:42 AM
 
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Ask the people running the city and running the prisons. They have the data on costs and charges and where it all goes.
Yeah but at the same time "we're" so intuitive to know there's a problem, funny how that works
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:45 AM
 
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First off, math. With less people in jail due to basically not enforcing crime, of course it will "cost more" per prisoner. The facility and personnel costs for NYC corrections won't change yet are spread out between less prisoners. What changes? Food? That's a minimal cost compared to the baked in expenditures that are not dependent upon X amount of prisoners.
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:49 AM
 
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First off, math. With less people in jail due to basically not enforcing crime, of course it will "cost more" per prisoner. The facility and personnel costs for NYC corrections won't change yet are spread out between less prisoners. What changes? Food? That's a minimal cost compared to the baked in expenditures that are not dependent upon X amount of prisoners.
If less people commit crime, should facility and personnel costs for NYPD change?
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:54 AM
 
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Yeah but at the same time "we're" so intuitive to know there's a problem, funny how that works
It isn’t intuition. It is a widely acknowledged fact that the costs are at all time highs and record breaking and is only escalating. It is also far and above the costs in other cities. There clearly is a problem. Just a google search reveals this:

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom...l-time-high-2/

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...20-report-says

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yor...el-11575833362

https://nypost.com/2019/12/06/nyc-sp...nually-report/

New York spends more to lock up inmates than the cost of an Ivy League education | Malta Justice Initiative

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...20-report-says
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Old 01-22-2022, 07:57 AM
 
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It isn’t intuition. It is a widely acknowledged fact that the costs are at all time highs and record breaking and is only escalating. It is also far and above the costs in other cities. There clearly is a problem. Just a google search reveals this:

https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom...l-time-high-2/

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...20-report-says

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yor...el-11575833362

https://nypost.com/2019/12/06/nyc-sp...nually-report/

New York spends more to lock up inmates than the cost of an Ivy League education | Malta Justice Initiative

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...20-report-says
Yeah so let's fix the social problems so that jails aren't even needed

Save even more money that way
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:00 AM
 
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If less people commit crime, should facility and personnel costs for NYPD change?
Some could, but there's a huge difference between incarcerating people and providing the gamut of police services throughout the city.

Think in terms of a delivery service. If you longer hold packages at a facility, you don't need that facility. But if you are still moving them from point A to point B, you still need to support that portion of the industry.

The best way to save money on the police is to stop providing police services to areas that don't want them. Downsize and shift the remaining resources to the areas that want cops.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:01 AM
 
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Some could, but there's a huge difference between incarcerating people and providing the gamut of police services throughout the city.

Think in terms of a delivery service. If you longer hold packages at a facility, you don't need that facility. But if you are still moving them from point A to point B, you still need to support that portion of the industry.

The best way to save money on the police is to stop providing police services to areas that don't want them. Downsize and shift the remaining resources to the areas that want cops.
Someobdy's not going to get a paycheck off of that idea, what do you tell them?
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:18 AM
 
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NYPD cops retire at a rate that negates the need for layoffs. Simply don't replace whatever the number is that are serving in neighborhoods that hate cops. Problem solved.
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Old 01-22-2022, 08:21 AM
 
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NYPD cops retire at a rate that negates the need for layoffs. Simply don't replace whatever the number is that are serving in neighborhoods that hate cops. Problem solved.
I agree, let the people who have money pay for their private security anyway
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