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Along the waterfront in Astoria, in a section of the neighborhood once known as “Asthma Alley” due to the health consequences of power plant pollution, Mohawk Council Grand Chief Kahsennenhawe Sky-Deer looks towards the future.
"For us, it's a project that is a game changer,” said Sky-Deer.
She’s talking about the Champlain Hudson Power Express, a clean energy project promising to deliver renewable power from Quebec to Queens. The Champlain Hudson Power Express would send the power through cables buried under Lake Champlain and the Hudson River
Wind energy harvested in Quebec and sent to Queens, could soon power a million homes in the city
Upon approval, construction will begin next year. The line would begin delivering power to the city in 2025
Along the waterfront in Astoria, in a section of the neighborhood once known as “Asthma Alley” due to the health consequences of power plant pollution, Mohawk Council Grand Chief Kahsennenhawe Sky-Deer looks towards the future.
"For us, it's a project that is a game changer,” said Sky-Deer.
She’s talking about the Champlain Hudson Power Express, a clean energy project promising to deliver renewable power from Quebec to Queens. The Champlain Hudson Power Express would send the power through cables buried under Lake Champlain and the Hudson River
Wind energy harvested in Quebec and sent to Queens, could soon power a million homes in the city
Upon approval, construction will begin next year. The line would begin delivering power to the city in 2025
It's an interesting idea, I skimmed the article, so maybe I missed it, but the question that needs to be addressed is how are they going to store all that energy?
The reason why Russia doesn't build windmills in Siberia and other remote places is that those areas are so far from cities/developed areas that much of the energy generated would not be able to be channelled efficiently into areas that need it. Thus, methods of energy storage are essential.
This situation seems to have some similarities. With that long of a distance between where the energy is being generated, and where it's being stored, it would be interesting to see what they're going to do with regards with energy storage to make this feasible.
From the article (which wasn't likely there at time of this topic's posting):
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Editor's Note: A previous version of this story focused on wind energy as the main component produced by the project. Wind energy is a part of the project, but the project’s major component is actually hydropower.
From the article (which wasn't likely there at time of this topic's posting):
Yes, there are quite a lot of wind turbines spread out over Quebec, but it doesn’t add up to a lot of power IMO.
The real stuff comes from the vast hydro dams that stretch from James Bay to Labrador and the Lower North Shore.
Yes, there are quite a lot of wind turbines spread out over Quebec, but it doesn’t add up to a lot of power IMO.
The real stuff comes from the vast hydro dams that stretch from James Bay to Labrador and the Lower North Shore.
Yea, it's a *lot* of hydropower which is why it's so cheap and why Quebec is so eager to export it. Probably one of the biggest bits of Cuomo idiocy, but one that doesn't get the headlines because it's not one of those headline-grabbing hot button issues, is not having pushed a HVDC line through during his administration and in place before the Indian Point shutdown. Economically, ecologically, efficiency and resiliency from any perspective one wants to come at this, it was mind-meltingly stupid, and this isn't an ideological issue--it's just plain ****ing incompetence.
The other big part of hydropower is that it's dispatchable power. That is, as long as you have the reserves/"fuel" and the generators are functional, you can at will generate as much as you need to meet demand up until your max generation and transmission capacity whichever one's lower. It's essentially already stored energy with hydro being water mass as stored gravitational potential energy to be converted to electricity and can be dispatched at will akin to how coal and natural gas (and batteries) are dispatchable. Wind and solar are great low levelized cost of energy resources, but they are intermittent. The wind component to this project would essentially be that in times of high wind generation, you would commensurately curb the amount of hydroelectricity being generated and "save" that gravitational potential energy in the reservoir for wind (or solar) to take the place of to be used later, so it's a pretty good system all around. In cases where wind energy is at any moment above what can be used or transmitted, there's the potential to build pumped hydro storage where you actually use that excess of supply over demand to pump water from a lower reservoir to a higher reservoir for use later.
There are other storage mechanisms and one that's become in recent years competitive on even the utility scale is battery stationary storage where secondary cells use a reversible chemical reaction to store energy and to dispatch energy. These, given their flexibility in siting and scale as well as potential low cost of "consumables" and lack of direct emissions, are probably better suited for deployment closer to point of use (e.g. within the city, possibly even within buildings). These are great as they essentially render other sources including intermittent ones or ones that operate most efficiently at a steady baseline (like nuclear) into dispatchable sources that can do load balancing where they store in excess supply over demand and also dispatch when demand exceeds generated supply which greatly helps grid management since the reaction time for battery storage is extremely fast compared to things like peaker natural gas plants. Also, when done in conjunction with a well-managed grid, they can also offer resiliency in case other sources or transmission hardware hit a snafu.
Unsurprisingly, NYC and the Tri-State Area doesn't really have much of the above in place. Good job, Cuomo. Good job to all three levels of loud mouthed New Yorkers flexing their incompetence as the heads of the federal, state, and municipal governments respectively over the last few years. Really impressed.
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Unsurprisingly, NYC and the Tri-State Area doesn't really have much of the above in place. Good job, Cuomo. Good job to all three levels of loud mouthed New Yorkers flexing their incompetence as the heads of the federal, state, and municipal government over the last few years. Really impressed.
Great post(s) on this subject Oy!
This last comment, however, highlights the underlying attitude that has led to many of the issues we face today. Too many New Yorkers, particular in NYC, are too preoccupied with telling people that NYC is the "Greatest City in the World" instead of actually walking the walk and taking the actions necessary to make that bold claim a reality.
The Empire State's new wardrobe is as invisible and empty as the Emperor's in that legendary tale.
I like the view that Canadian water is ALREADY stored energy...by NATURE. That is a refreshing way to look at it.
Difference with Siberian windmills is that Canada can turn the water flow on and off, Russia cannot do the same with the wind.
Canadian friends in the Western parts of the state complain about the high cost of electricity, aka hydro, while Quebec is sending electric power, sometimes at giveaway prices, to the U.S and New York. So perhaps it wasn't CUOMO who flummoxed the earlier construction of the trans Hudson link but rather the Canadian government who would rather not have revolutions in BC and Alberta.
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