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The last paragraph sounds promising. The homeless will either comply with going to the shelters, or get violent at the police, after which the police finally has the permission to arrest them. After the arrest, the violent homeless go somewhere where they are locked and taken care of. Sounds appropriate. Why are "homeless advocates" alarmed by the same things that give me hope? What am I missing? What is alarming to the advocates? Denial of basic human right to stab other people?
That they're "criminalizing" the homeless or placing a stigma on them or some such silly thing. Meanwhile, this afternoon the police arrested someone who was going after another person (unprovoked) on the subway platform with a hatchet (luckily the intended victim was not hurt). When they apprehended the perpetrator they found other such weapons on him.
NYC subway riders bashed with pipe, menaced with hatchet on first day of mayoral plan to clean up mass transit violence
A pair of city straphangers survived separate and unprovoked attacks early Monday — one targeted by a hatchet-wielding madman and the other dodging a crazed assailant’s metal rod on the first day of City Hall’s promised crackdown on violence in the subway.
The two rattled victims, one attacked in Brooklyn and the other two hours later in the Bronx, recounted the incidents amid a headline-grabbing jump in subway crime that led Mayor Adams to focus on the escalating issue — including the promised relocation of homeless people from the trains.
This nonsense has to stop. It really has to. This is beyond ridiculous. And it's happening at all hours of the day (not just the dead of night as in years past). Sigh.
That they're "criminalizing" the homeless or placing a stigma on them or some such silly thing. Meanwhile, this afternoon the police arrested someone who was going after another person (unprovoked) on the subway platform with a hatchet (luckily the intended victim was not hurt). When they apprehended the perpetrator they found other such weapons on him.
NYC subway riders bashed with pipe, menaced with hatchet on first day of mayoral plan to clean up mass transit violence
A pair of city straphangers survived separate and unprovoked attacks early Monday — one targeted by a hatchet-wielding madman and the other dodging a crazed assailant’s metal rod on the first day of City Hall’s promised crackdown on violence in the subway.
The two rattled victims, one attacked in Brooklyn and the other two hours later in the Bronx, recounted the incidents amid a headline-grabbing jump in subway crime that led Mayor Adams to focus on the escalating issue — including the promised relocation of homeless people from the trains.
This nonsense has to stop. It really has to. This is beyond ridiculous. And it's happening at all hours of the day (not just the dead of night as in years past). Sigh.
Obviously. No, we don't need to understand root causes of bashing with a pipe or menacing with a hatchet in order to stop it - it stops with locking up people who do it. Then the others may not want to do things like that (when some of them start getting put away for violent threats or actions, many others WILL understand that it is no longer tolerated).
So far not a GD thing has changed. Both Broadway and IRT lines yesterday still infested with homeless both on stations and trains.
Q,R,W,N service was messed up on Monday so had to take the 6 from Brooklyn Bridge. One car had three homeless stretched out snoring away, and their stuff (carts, bags, and other junk) with them.
When we get back to show of force city used in 1980's let me know..
So far not a GD thing has changed. Both Broadway and IRT lines yesterday still infested with homeless both on stations and trains.
Q,R,W,N service was messed up on Monday so had to take the 6 from Brooklyn Bridge. One car had three homeless stretched out snoring away, and their stuff (carts, bags, and other junk) with them.
When we get back to show of force city used in 1980's let me know..
The 80s? Are you kidding me? The crime was sky-high during the 80s, much more than it is now. And then you show a picture of a nasty graffiti-filled train car to prove what? Give the policy time to work. The man just implemented it LAST WEEK!!!!
So far not a GD thing has changed. Both Broadway and IRT lines yesterday still infested with homeless both on stations and trains.
Q,R,W,N service was messed up on Monday so had to take the 6 from Brooklyn Bridge. One car had three homeless stretched out snoring away, and their stuff (carts, bags, and other junk) with them.
When we get back to show of force city used in 1980's let me know..
The 80s? Are you kidding me? The crime was sky-high during the 80s, much more than it is now. And then you show a picture of a nasty graffiti-filled train car to prove what? Give the policy time to work. The man just implemented it LAST WEEK!!!!
What? So you think because trains are "cleaner" graffiti wise but still filled with homeless, mentally ill, criminals, etc... they are somehow safer? Give me a break
As for that some kind of plan by Albany and city hall, just please... Rudy G and Bloomberg announced a show of force, and it happened, *BOOM*. This is the third or fourth (I've lost count) anti-crime or whatever initiatives announced for subway system in past few years. So far it's been a dud just like previous incarnations.
How much time do you and others want? Tell it to this poor soul who got jacked this morning:
What? So you think because trains are "cleaner" graffiti wise but still filled with homeless, mentally ill, criminals, etc... they are somehow safer? Give me a break
As for that some kind of plan by Albany and city hall, just please... Rudy G and Bloomberg announced a show of force, and it happened, *BOOM*. This is the third or fourth (I've lost count) anti-crime or whatever initiatives announced for subway system in past few years. So far it's been a dud just like previous incarnations.
How much time do you and others want? Tell it to this poor soul who got jacked this morning:
Last year, the NY Times has an article about the false perception of subway crime.
Quote:
There were 335 major felonies this year, compared with 697 during the same time in 2020 and 559 in 2019, according to police statistics. During a higher-crime era, the numbers were a lot higher, with 1,449 major felonies in the first quarter of 1997.
Four murders have been reported in the subway system this year as of the beginning of May, compared with six murders in the subway for all of last year and three murders in 2019.
Kathleen O’Reilly, the Police Department’s transit bureau chief, has criticized what she calls “continued fearmongering.”
“It’s a disservice to New Yorkers to advance a narrative that crime is soaring in the subways when it’s simply not the case,” she told transit officials at an agency board meeting in April.
Here's another website that talks about crime in the 80s that proves that you're just either easily influenced by the media or you're just projecting...
quote: The New York City subway of today is what one might lightly call “starkly different” from its predecessors. In the 1980s, over 250 felonies were committed every week in the system, making the New York subway the most dangerous mass transit system in the world.
Seeking to combat violence stemming from those using the subway system as a shelter, the NYPD has begun issuing summonses to those laying on benches in and off train cars and on platform floors. To get a better understanding of the sweep, amNewYork Metro tagged along with the Train Order Maintenance Sweep (TOMS) patrol on Tuesday as they roamed through the 59th Street-Columbus Circle station.
Officers examine each carriage by swiftly stepping into the car and making their presence known and if everything is in order, the train is left to proceed.
According to police sources, over a 28-day period, subway arrests are up 73% when compared to last year while gun arrests over the 28-day period are up 400%.
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