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Old 06-11-2022, 03:37 PM
 
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serving on hand and foot is included in his pay.
They just come over and take away the dishes ,they did not cook the food nor do they have to clean up afterwards like scrubbing the pots and mopping the floor.
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Old 06-11-2022, 03:39 PM
 
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What level of restaurant are we discussing here?

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Old 06-11-2022, 06:08 PM
 
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If I couldn't afford to tip properly (and that's 20% for places with service, unless the service is terrible), I wouldn't eat out. The tip is part of the equation of whether you can afford to go out.

I don't believe in karma per se, but people who stiff waitstaff are asking for it.
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Old 06-11-2022, 06:26 PM
 
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If I couldn't afford to tip properly (and that's 20% for places with service, unless the service is terrible), I wouldn't eat out. The tip is part of the equation of whether you can afford to go out.

I don't believe in karma per se, but people who stiff waitstaff are asking for it.
Seriously, stay home if you can't afford to tip. Or take it to go. Wash your own dishes at home and clean up after yourself.
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Old 06-11-2022, 06:29 PM
 
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Tip is based on level of service, what difference does it matter what the server makes

If you can't afford to tip well then you should eat out less

I don't eat out much because I can't afford to eat out all the time, but when I do, I can afford to show my appreciation to my server by leaving a generous tip (if the service warrants it)

Imagine somebody waiting on you hand and foot for your meal and you can't show your gratitude, that's pretty unclassy...just stay home then
If everyone stayed home when they couldn't afford a 20% tip, restaurants would be a lot emptier. lol Everyone is different. I often times even tip for counter service (I look when I'm in line at my coffee spots and such). Very few people tip and they're in places like Blue Bottle where some coffee drinks run north of $6.00.

Tips are not mandatory, so if someone decides to tip less than 20%, at least they are tipping. I get the impression that many people just want to treat themselves to something and can't afford say $40-50 to eat out. Let's be honest. To have a decent meal at most places (and I don't mean places like Per Se either where you're paying $200-300 a head), plus a tip, that is what you are spending.

Lots of people say support your local restaurants, and when people do, then they are bashed for not tipping 20%. lol No win situation. My routine is for delivery, I will do 15-20%. If I just happen to order an expensive item that inflates the bill, I'm not over tipping for that when there is nothing laborious about the delivery (I usually go down and wait to get my food, so the delivery people don't have to even come up). At some point it's like the customer is kissing *** and bending over backwards and they are ones spending the money.

For sit-down places, I tip 20%. If you're spending over $100, I am often times given a glass of wine on the house that is comparable to what the tip would be (assuming of course that I didn't order a bottle already and am just in the mood for jumping around with different wines). Knowing this, I make sure to tip that amount to show my appreciation, but again, with everything going up, I think those waiters should be thankful people are still eating out and tipping, even if it isn't 20%.

I went to pick-up my Japanese food and the place was quiet. They were thankful to get my $32.
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Old 06-11-2022, 06:43 PM
 
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If everyone stayed home when they couldn't afford a 20% tip, restaurants would be a lot emptier. lol Everyone is different. I often times even tip for counter service (I look when I'm in line at my coffee spots and such). Very few people tip and they're in places like Blue Bottle where some coffee drinks run north of $6.00.

Tips are not mandatory, so if someone decides to tip less than 20%, at least they are tipping. I get the impression that many people just want to treat themselves to something and can't afford say $40-50 to eat out. Let's be honest. To have a decent meal at most places (and I don't mean places like Per Se either where you're paying $200-300 a head), plus a tip, that is what you are spending.

Lots of people say support your local restaurants, and when people do, then they are bashed for not tipping 20%. lol No win situation. My routine is for delivery, I will do 15-20%. If I just happen to order an expensive item that inflates the bill, I'm not over tipping for that when there is nothing laborious about the delivery (I usually go down and wait to get my food, so the delivery people don't have to even come up). At some point it's like the customer is kissing *** and bending over backwards and they are ones spending the money.

For sit-down places, I tip 20%. If you're spending over $100, I am often times given a glass of wine on the house that is comparable to what the tip would be (assuming of course that I didn't order a bottle already and am just in the mood for jumping around with different wines). Knowing this, I make sure to tip that amount to show my appreciation, but again, with everything going up, I think those waiters should be thankful people are still eating out and tipping, even if it isn't 20%.

I went to pick-up my Japanese food and the place was quiet. They were thankful to get my $32.
This is really not the complicated situation you're making it out to be

If you go out to eat you should tip well based on the service received

If you dont get good service, don't tip well

If you don't have enough money to tip well and eat out at the same time, then order it to go or stay home
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Old 06-11-2022, 06:59 PM
 
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problem is service is usually subpar. This is true especially in nyc.

I went to various cities in Europe where tipping wasn’t the norm. Service was a few folds better than here. There are small restaurants where sometimes owner or chef will come out to chat with guests.

I think USA should scrap the whole tipping culture. It’s out of control.
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Old 06-12-2022, 08:16 AM
 
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Except then they're really not making more in actual purchasing power

Then the complaint for redress should go to the FED, not to another victim of inflation, the customer.
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Old 06-12-2022, 10:08 AM
 
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problem is service is usually subpar. This is true especially in nyc.

I went to various cities in Europe where tipping wasn’t the norm. Service was a few folds better than here. There are small restaurants where sometimes owner or chef will come out to chat with guests.

I think USA should scrap the whole tipping culture. It’s out of control.
How much are waiters paid in Europe?

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Old 06-12-2022, 01:12 PM
 
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Interestingly, a small group of prominent NYC restaurants have tried going service-inclusive. There's been a lot of resistance. Everyone wants to feel like the petty dictator of their waiter, I guess.
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