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Don't you as a Black man feel "great" hearing all of the racist stereotypes that White New Yorkers have of you? When Escani and Islanders2021 make comments (always negative if you haven't noticed lol) about Blacks, they're talking about you and other Blacks on this forum as well, but as a White person, I get the impression that you're not exactly surprised. I was having a conversation with a Black Caribbean guy about this very thing not too long ago and we were talking about how Blacks are stereotyped as being uneducated and unable to put together a sentence. This is really how some White people see Black people.... Criminals, uneducated, don't contribute... Doesn't matter that you yourself don't fit the narrative, but it seems that it makes some people feel better if they can say this anyway.
Boy you really do have it all figured out about those minorities, don't you? And what about your fellow Jews that live on welfare, etc.? You really are a funny guy. You're Jewish and sitting here stereotyping people and you'd be the first one to yell about discrimination against Jews. Comical.
What I wrote is a fact. It's simply an observation of reality that exists for NYC. It's not meant to describe on an individual level. There are obviously those that don't confirm to the majority.
I really don't care about anti-semitism (few Jews do in reality unless they have nothing better to do) and I'm on here constantly complaining that Hasidic Jews abuse the welfare system. I'd be the first one to cut them off if given the chance.
If you don't like reality, go change it. There are plenty of programs where you can work tutoring public school students. We'll you see how long you last.
There are school survey reports (produced by the city) on every NYC DOE public school. Go take a look and come back with your observations.
Don't you as a Black man feel "great" hearing all of the racist stereotypes that White New Yorkers have of you? When Escani and Islanders2021 make comments (always negative if you haven't noticed lol) about Blacks, they're talking about you and other Blacks on this forum as well, but as a White person, I get the impression that you're not exactly surprised. I was having a conversation with a Black Caribbean guy about this very thing not too long ago and we were talking about how Blacks are stereotyped as being uneducated and unable to put together a sentence. This is really how some White people see Black people.... Criminals, uneducated, don't contribute... Doesn't matter that you yourself don't fit the narrative, but it seems that it makes some people feel better if they can say this anyway.
Boy you really do have it all figured out about those minorities, don't you? And what about your fellow Jews that live on welfare, etc.? You really are a funny guy. You're Jewish and sitting here stereotyping people and you'd be the first one to yell about discrimination against Jews. Comical.
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Let them think what they want, its all they have left
This is not “thinking” what a I want. These are the facts and I described reality. Everybody in this city knows it except black NYCers who can’t objectively judge their own communities and white yuppies who claim they’re so progressive but try get as far away from all non white yuppies as they can.
Even Black NYCers, who care about their kids education, know it. Why are charter schools so popular amongst the Black (and Hispanic to a much lesser extent) NYC community?
Many parents in NYC think that just sending their kid to school is caring about their education. It’s not. It’s the bare minimum that the state forces you to do. My wife’s manicurist is an Asian dude who probably doesn’t make more than $50K/yr but sends his kids to after school and weekend tutoring establishments. That’s caring about your kids education.
When’s the last time you saw parents taking their kids to tutoring at 8am on a Saturday in the hood? Let’s even head to a solid middle class black neighborhood like Canarsie. How many parents do you think are taking their kids to tutoring classes at 8am on a weekend?
The difference is in expectations and ambition . Many Asian/Jewish (non Hasidic)/ immigrant parents expect their kids to get top tier jobs in the private sector in Medicine/finance/ CS/Law/engineering and their ambition is to see their kids wildly succeed. Do all kids succeed? Of course not.
What’s the expectation in Canarsie? Probably to get a “good” government job (MTA, NYPD, DOE, etc.) or nursing (if they’re a girl). This is a solid middle class black neighborhood in NYC. Let’s not even begin to discuss the hood.
The only "good' jobs most Black and Hispanic NYC'ers have are NYC government jobs (and even then many work in the lower paid ones that don't have too many requirements).
Go to any high paying corporate setting in NYC and there are very, very few NYC Black and Hispanic individuals in NYC locations. Mainly because many black NYCers don't value education and most NYC Hispanics are first generation immigrants (if their kids make it, they usually move).
I found the following stats on NYC residents' educational attainment: Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site. Based on the data, there are 8,461,961 people residing in NYC. The median income for those with a graduate degree in NYC is $73K/year, while the median income for those with just a H.S. diploma is ~27K.
In terms of demographics, 56% white men and white women have a bachelor's degree or higher in NYC, while 25% of BW and 20% of BM have a bachelor's degree or higher. Keep in mind that the Black population in NYC is less than the white population. NYC's current population of Black people, is around ~25%.
It's important to point out that it's not just a matter of graduating from college. The truth is, if one is looking to make inroads into tech, consulting, investment banking, corporate law, etc, it's more about the course of study/degree major, the school's ranking and the person's network.
Though NYC has a sizable number of Black people with a bachelors degree or higher, most did not graduate with a degree in science, engineering, math or business. Also, many attended state schools, HBCUs or CUNY, which doesn't have the same connections with corporate employers that elite top tier private universities tend to have. Large corporations tend to recruit primarily at elite universities and not so much at state or CUNY schools.
I think the aforementioned factors are more likely to play a role in explaining why there are so few Black people working at prestigious corporations in NYC.
Don't you as a Black man feel "great" hearing all of the racist stereotypes that White New Yorkers have of you? When Escani and Islanders2021 make comments (always negative if you haven't noticed lol) about Blacks, they're talking about you and other Blacks on this forum as well, but as a White person, I get the impression that you're not exactly surprised. I was having a conversation with a Black Caribbean guy about this very thing not too long ago and we were talking about how Blacks are stereotyped as being uneducated and unable to put together a sentence. This is really how some White people see Black people.... Criminals, uneducated, don't contribute... Doesn't matter that you yourself don't fit the narrative, but it seems that it makes some people feel better if they can say this anyway.
More often than not, people who constantly use negative stereotypes are usually very insecure and rely heavily on racist tropes to make themselves feel better about their own issues and lack of achievement.
I found the following stats on NYC residents' educational attainment: Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site. Based on the data, there are 8,461,961 people residing in NYC. The median income for those with a graduate degree in NYC is $73K/year, while the median income for those with just a H.S. diploma is ~27K.
In terms of demographics, 56% white men and white women have a bachelor's degree or higher in NYC, while 25% of BW and 20% of BM have a bachelor's degree or higher. Keep in mind that the Black population in NYC is less than the white population. NYC's current population of Black people, is around ~25%.
It's important to point out that it's not just a matter of graduating from college. The truth is, if one is looking to make inroads into tech, consulting, investment banking, corporate law, etc, it's more about the course of study/degree major, the school's ranking and the person's network.
Though NYC has a sizable number of Black people with a bachelors degree or higher, most did not graduate with a degree in science, engineering, math or business. Also, many attended state schools, HBCUs or CUNY, which doesn't have the same connections with corporate employers that elite top tier private universities tend to have. Large corporations tend to recruit primarily at elite universities and not so much at state or CUNY schools.
I think the aforementioned factors are more likely to play a role in explaining why there are so few Black people working at prestigious corporations in NYC.
Will be informative to compare what the degrees concentrate on between whites and blacks. Some college degrees are easy to enter and complete but worthless B.S. that adds no value in the lucrative job market. I remember there used to be a guy NYWriterdude who attended Cornel/Columbia which he was so proud of, but he ended up as English tutor for some toddlers in a remote Spanish town.
Will be informative to compare what the degrees concentrate on between whites and blacks. Some college degrees are easy to enter and complete but worthless B.S. that adds no value in the lucrative job market. I remember there used to be a guy NYWriterdude who attended Cornel/Columbia which he was so proud of, but he ended up as English tutor for some toddlers in a remote Spanish town.
The school that one graduates from does matter, because it can get them in the door, regardless of their major, if they have the right skill-sets and can impress the right people. A Cornell or Columbia graduate with an English degree, can get hired for a variety of positions at a corporation, including, but not limited to technical writing, editor, public relations/communications Manager, HR policy specialist, Brand strategist, user experience writer, etc. The positions that I listed require strong communication/writing skills, which is what most English majors excel in.
Both of those ivy league universities have an extensive network in NY and have their own distinguished clubs (The Cornell Club of NY and the Columbia Club of NY), which are exclusively for its alumni and other alumni of very select elite universities. The facilities include club rooms for meetings, rooms for overnight lodging, exercise facilities, libraries and dining facilities. These clubs help facilitate in person networking between the younger and older alumni.
Also, ivy league universities have an online alumni connection network, which essentially tells you the name, industry/position and address of every graduate. Some graduates choose not to have their contact information fully disclosed in the directory, but more often than not, they will include at least their business email. That's all that a young grad really needs. Once you have a viable email, you can easily move forward w/ requesting an informational interview.
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I found the following stats on NYC residents' educational attainment:Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site Based on the data, there are 8,461,961 people residing in NYC. The median income for those with a graduate degree in NYC is $73K/year, while the median income for those with just a H.S. diploma is ~27K.
In terms of demographics, 56% white men and white women have a bachelor's degree or higher in NYC, while 25% of BW and 20% of BM have a bachelor's degree or higher. Keep in mind that the Black population in NYC is less than the white population. NYC's current population of Black people, is around ~25%.
It's important to point out that it's not just a matter of graduating from college. The truth is, if one is looking to make inroads into tech, consulting, investment banking, corporate law, etc, it's more about the course of study/degree major, the school's ranking and the person's network.
Though NYC has a sizable number of Black people with a bachelors degree or higher, most did not graduate with a degree in science, engineering, math or business. Also, many attended state schools, HBCUs or CUNY, which doesn't have the same connections with corporate employers that elite top tier private universities tend to have. Large corporations tend to recruit primarily at elite universities and not so much at state or CUNY schools.
I think the aforementioned factors are more likely to play a role in explaining why there are so few Black people working at prestigious corporations in NYC.
What I wrote is a fact. It's simply an observation of reality that exists for NYC. It's not meant to describe on an individual level. There are obviously those that don't confirm to the majority.
I really don't care about anti-semitism (few Jews do in reality unless they have nothing better to do) and I'm on here constantly complaining that Hasidic Jews abuse the welfare system. I'd be the first one to cut them off if given the chance.
If you don't like reality, go change it. There are plenty of programs where you can work tutoring public school students. We'll you see how long you last.
There are school survey reports (produced by the city) on every NYC DOE public school. Go take a look and come back with your observations.
I work in a White collar environment and in the building I worked in before switching to work from home, I admit that it was mainly White, but there were some Blacks, especially post-pandemic, and this was a building with all private companies. Lots of law firms, investment companies, etc. It's just that Black people that are successful don't feel the need to boast or make a big deal about it. You also fail to realize that the private sector can still be very racist and very clicky and those in the high-up positions tend to be White. That's just a fact, since you are talking about facts.
There is the sense among some people like yourself that Black people can only "thrive" in government (City) jobs with low qualifications, so when some come along that are qualified and talented that don't fit the stereotype, it may not be so easy for them to thrive, especially if they are dark-skinned Black men. Usually the Black men that I do see doing ok in the private sector are light skin... Another stereotype... Dark skin Black men are "dangerous" and not smart enough to be articulate, etc. In the industry I work in, I admit that I've only come across a handful of Black people in all of the years I've been around. It is an industry that pays well, but not something that Black people in general seem to be interested in, but I'm also around lots of lawyers and financial types since the industry I work in is tied to those two industries and it's the same thing. Not many Blacks, but they do exist.
There's also another barrier that you fail to realize and that's the cost of college. It's not just about valuing education, but the cost of college. Hell I definitely recall my last semesters of university being the most expensive, as I went to a private school in Europe with very high tuition costs... You have to have a family that can afford to shell out $20k a semester for such schools. For some Black families and Latino families, they are the first to go to college, let alone a private or Ivy League college. That's another barrier... Again, more connections, the better the college/university.
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Originally Posted by SeventhFloor
Let them think what they want, its all they have left
Still sad though that there's this way of thinking in 2023.
This is not “thinking” what a I want. These are the facts and I described reality. Everybody in this city knows it except black NYCers who can’t objectively judge their own communities and white yuppies who claim they’re so progressive but try get as far away from all non white yuppies as they can.
Even Black NYCers, who care about their kids education, know it. Why are charter schools so popular amongst the Black (and Hispanic to a much lesser extent) NYC community?
Many parents in NYC think that just sending their kid to school is caring about their education. It’s not. It’s the bare minimum that the state forces you to do. My wife’s manicurist is an Asian dude who probably doesn’t make more than $50K/yr but sends his kids to after school and weekend tutoring establishments. That’s caring about your kids education.
When’s the last time you saw parents taking their kids to tutoring at 8am on a Saturday in the hood? Let’s even head to a solid middle class black neighborhood like Canarsie. How many parents do you think are taking their kids to tutoring classes at 8am on a weekend?
The difference is in expectations and ambition . Many Asian/Jewish (non Hasidic)/ immigrant parents expect their kids to get top tier jobs in the private sector in Medicine/finance/ CS/Law/engineering and their ambition is to see their kids wildly succeed. Do all kids succeed? Of course not.
What’s the expectation in Canarsie? Probably to get a “good” government job (MTA, NYPD, DOE, etc.) or nursing (if they’re a girl). This is a solid middle class black neighborhood in NYC. Let’s not even begin to discuss the hood.
You can generalize until the cows come home if it makes you feel better. Makes no difference to me.
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