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Old 04-04-2024, 06:11 AM
 
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NYC spends more than Paris on subsidized housing.
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Old 04-04-2024, 05:31 PM
 
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NYC spends more than Paris on subsidized housing.
Feel free to post statistics to back that up, but it may be more a matter of how the money is spent, rather than how much the total amount is.
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Old 04-04-2024, 05:59 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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The dynamics of the PJs here used be that they housed working class people at a subsidized rent that allowed families to save up and move to a single family home, either in the boroughs or in the ‘burbs. But high-paying working-class jobs have become scarcer that they were 50 years ago, while housing prices have skyrocketed, so that doesn’t happen nearly as often as it did, and as a result public housing has a less upwardly mobile population now.

We don’t build nearly enough working- and middle-class subsidized housing, and I suspect the French do. And much of ours also has no commercial tenants, unlike neighborhoods with mostly market rate housing. So you end up with a deep concentrations of financially struggling people in homes often lacking the most basic retail amenities nearby. No wonder so many of them are such a mess.

Public housing has to rebalance and build more for working people and less for the poorest, IMHO. That would lead to a healthier and better city.
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Old 04-04-2024, 08:48 PM
 
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I wonder if this was to get the homeless off the streets before the Olympics. They are even more aggressive as panhandlers than our own.
Man stop lying about them having more aggressive panhandlers. Not even in the banlieues (which are considered rough and grimey by French standards) in say Seine-Saint-Denis you find a bunch of aggressive beggars. You'll see panhandlers on the metro from time to time but NY is way worse.
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Old 04-04-2024, 10:03 PM
 
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Man stop lying about them having more aggressive panhandlers. Not even in the banlieues (which are considered rough and grimey by French standards) in say Seine-Saint-Denis you find a bunch of aggressive beggars. You'll see panhandlers on the metro from time to time but NY is way worse.
I wasn't lying. It was my experience. Unlike NYC, none of the panhandlers were particularly threatening or menacing, but they didn't stop and when I was there a few years ago, they were all over the place just like in Manhattan. The begging didn't stop. It's a pity that I understand enough French to know what they are saying. They don't beg in Seine-St, Denis because it's a poor neighborhood and no one there is going to give them a handout. They only ask for drugs, but I don't look like a person who would have some on me.
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Old 04-05-2024, 05:57 AM
 
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I wasn't lying. It was my experience. Unlike NYC, none of the panhandlers were particularly threatening or menacing, but they didn't stop and when I was there a few years ago, they were all over the place just like in Manhattan. The begging didn't stop. It's a pity that I understand enough French to know what they are saying. They don't beg in Seine-St, Denis because it's a poor neighborhood and no one there is going to give them a handout. They only ask for drugs, but I don't look like a person who would have some on me.
Ok, it seems like you only visit so I cannot argue with your one-off experience then. The truth is, it is not like what you describe for the most part. For one, you don't see as many homeless ppl as you do in NYC due to a better social safety net.
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Old 04-06-2024, 01:35 PM
 
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The problem with Paris is the immigrants/migrants. They are the homeless, the beggars, the drug dealers, and they have trashed that city beyond belief. I feel much safer in NYC anytime. I only hope that NYC does not go the way of Paris with all of the new immigrants arriving.
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Old 04-06-2024, 03:49 PM
 
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Feel free to post statistics to back that up, but it may be more a matter of how the money is spent, rather than how much the total amount is.
Go look at what the NYC city budget is compared to the Paris city budget. NYCs NYCHA budget alone is more than the entire budget of Paris as a city.
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Old 04-07-2024, 10:06 AM
 
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Pouring money to house migrants in the hundreds of thousands in Paris, yet not enough for them to burn down Paris protesting inequality. Socialism is a failure.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...y-intl-vpx.cnn



NYC is next. If Governor Hochul builds and houses millions of migrants it will be the downfall of NYC that will share the same fate as Paris. She will be remembered as the last female governor of the state.
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