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What does this have to do with anything? She jumped into the tracks to grab something.
Actually I agree with the poster, it's an issue and a big reason why stuff and people fall down there in the first place. I always stand behind the yellow line and only get close once the train is there and I still get in the train first (all it takes is a little timing). Plus you never know you might get sick one day or feel faint or something, it just makes so much more sense to stand back. The line is there for a reason but some people think they are bad to the bone and like to flirt with danger...
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I feel pretty sorry for the motorman in that train as well. That guy wont be "right" for awhile, if ever.
A similarly violent train related story happened 2-3 weeks ago in my city and the motormen were being noticably less aggressive with the controls for awhile after.
Granted the unwise actions of the poor victim, I think she could have been saved if the onlookers, instead of shouting at the completely panicked woman (when she's so panicked and frozen she wouldn't listen), formed a human chain behind someone who could grab her hands and pull her onto the platform. It could be dangerous for one person alone to pull her, but with so many others, the one pulling her could have been supported by many behind him/her without problem. I am sure she was desperately hoping someone among the crowds watching her would help her.
This aside, I am totally disgusted by some (in fact, many!) of the comments posted regarding this tragic death. They are showing the world how cold these New Yorkers are (it's reasonable to assume most comments were by New Yorkers).
A few examples of the comments from NY Post online:
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Another comment I saw yesterday which I can't locate it now, said something like, "Now she doesn't need her gym bag any more. She is as thin as a pancake now."
I wish all these people live a great life without committing any kind of stupidities themselves, without the help and compassion from any other people.
(According to a report, a colleague or employer said Ms. Mankos had a helping personality.)
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Granted the unwise actions of the poor victim, I think she could have been saved if the onlookers, instead of shouting at the completely panicked woman (when she's so panicked and frozen she wouldn't listen), formed a human chain behind someone who could grab her hands and pull her onto the platform. It could be dangerous for one person alone to pull her, but with so many others, the one pulling her could have been supported by many behind him/her without problem. I am sure she was desperately hoping someone among the crowds watching her would help her.
This aside, I am totally disgusted by some (in fact, many!) of the comments posted regarding this tragic death. They are showing the world how cold these New Yorkers are (it's reasonable to assume most comments were by New Yorkers).
A few examples of the comments from NY Post online:
Moderator cut: Please post a link to a newspaper source, or paraphrase as below. Do not copy the entire commentary, a snippet is fine, but not the entire wording.
Another comment I saw yesterday which I can't locate it now, said something like, "Now she doesn't need her gym bag any more. She is as thin as a pancake now."
I wish all these people live a great life without committing any kind of stupidities themselves, without the help and compassion from any other people.
(According to a report, a colleague or employer said Ms. Mankos had a helping personality.)
I think the kind of crowd life-saving reaction you are looking for could be accomplished by a platform full of Marines - sure. But you are looking for a whole group average subway riders in a matter of seconds, in the face of an oncoming train, to form a life-saving chain?
See the thread on "pet peeves in the subway" to see what kind of behavior goes on in the subway, and that might make you stop expecting extraordinary split-second heroic decision-making and action.
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I think the kind of crowd life-saving reaction you are looking for could be accomplished by a platform full of Marines - sure. But you are looking for a whole group average subway riders in a matter of seconds, in the face of an oncoming train, to form a life-saving chain?
See the thread on "pet peeves in the subway" to see what kind of behavior goes on in the subway, and that might make you stop expecting extraordinary split-second heroic decision-making and action.
And because of this kind of thinking, you will never have average people motivated to rise to the need of the moment. The life-saving chain was an awesome suggestion, at least to have in mind.
You are great at analyzing this - but say what Henna would have done??
First they reported "a girl" was struck by the train. Now, it became "the old woman" of 48 years of age:
"The old woman who was crushed to death by a subway train on Manhattan's upper East Side on Thursday afternoon has been indentified as Rose M. Mankos. Rose Mankos 48, was a lawyer who had previously worked for the State."
ROFL. But look at one of the paragraphs and it's apparent that it was written by an undereducated fetus:
[SIZE=2]On beeing struck by the subway train, Ms. Mankos had severe injuries to her face and skull. She was announced dead at the place. After her indentification was revealed inside her bag, which was on the track, police informed her brother, Joseph.[/SIZE]
And because of this kind of thinking, you will never have average people motivated to rise to the need of the moment. The life-saving chain was an awesome suggestion, at least to have in mind.
You are great at analyzing this - but say what Henna would have done??
I do not have the kind of training that would have enabled me to jump into action in a split-second life-or-death situation. I feel confident that that's the case (unfortunately for those around me, I guess).
Yes, I have seen other people without any kind of special training leap into action, but I think they are a very rare breed, and not likely to be found in any great numbers on an average day on an average subway platform.
And I do not believe for one second that "because of this [my] kind of thinking" that average people will not be motivated to rise to the occasion. There is where we disagree. If someone is motivated to want to rise to this kind of occasion, he or she will be motivated to find this kind of training, and to be prepared for these occasions. It is not "my" thinking that makes others motivated or not.
Thanks for your compliment on my analysis skills, though.
What do you think you would have done when confronted with this? think you would have had the presence of mind and the guts and leadership skills to convince fellow passengers to form a chain and reach this about-to-die woman in the few seconds available before a 65 ton train came barrelling through? If so, congrats and more power to you.
I think in this particular case it would have been a lot to ask to get a team of people to help her in such a short timeframe. I think in general New Yorkers are pretty quick on their feet and quick to help but most are tentative to make that first move but I think that tentativeness is natural to a big city environment. I've seen many heartwarming cases of New Yorkers helping people out in emergency situations...
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