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Complaints from afar? You're forgetting I lived there, you just do not like what I have to say. If not a change of government and it's policies, what would be your solution? Paint over dilapidated buildings? Bulldoze neighborhoods? Or maybe they could do what they did in the South Bronx by putting up posters of flowerpots in the windows of abandoned buildings. Niagara Falls is not living up to it's full potential alright, as are many of New York's cities.
I'm talking about Niagara Falls, not NY State. That is what the thread is about. I thought you lived in Peekskill, not Niagara Falls. I'm asking again, what are some ideas for the city of Niagara Falls specifically. They have this program: Home
I believe I already went over how I would reduce taxes across the board in New York State. Having a more business-friendly environment would boost the local economies of all New York cities, Niagara Falls included.
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How do you suggest making the pols in Albany cut the taxes in this state? They tax business to death, as well as people. They always have.
Another from "EnoughIsEnough".
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How much would the taxpayers have to pay for a Formula 1 track? Can we afford it? Would any private investors be interested in such a proposal?
The problem as I see it is the state and local governments that you support are responsible for the mess that you are in. You first need to attract businesses and jobs to the area then there will be enough money to pay for such wonderful things such as Formula 1 tracks, museums, create nice places to hold public events, sporting events and so forth. Otherwise government will in some way have to speculate on whether it will be profitable and find some way to pay for it. If it's not, no big deal, government is a monopoly and taxpayers will be saddled with the loss or debt. Not to worry, this is New York there will be no political repercussions. I doubt you will see that many private investors wanting to invest in a run down dilapidated city in a state where state and local governments never have enough money. Yes, I did live in Peekskill for 30 years and during that time the taxes kept on increasing as the city continued to decline. A lot of my neighbors had already moved out, and the illegal invaders moved in. Their answer "more money".
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Would you rather have Niagara Falls remain a hotspot for losers who milk the welfare system for everything it's worth?
This is a problem throughout New York State's major cities. Who do you think should be held responsible for that?
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They have this program: Home
Where will the City of Niagara Falls get the money from to pay for all those wonderful programs? Especially if people or businesses go belly up and default on their loans? As many students can't pay off their student debt and many first time businesses fail. Government is not the answer, Government is the problem.
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The problem as I see it is the state and local governments that you support are responsible for the mess that you are in. You first need to attract businesses and jobs to the area then there will be enough money to pay for such wonderful things such as Formula 1 tracks, museums, create nice places to hold public events, sporting events and so forth. Otherwise government will in some way have to speculate on whether it will be profitable and find some way to pay for it. If it's not, no big deal, government is a monopoly and taxpayers will be saddled with the loss or debt. Not to worry, this is New York there will be no political repercussions. I doubt you will see that many private investors wanting to invest in a run down dilapidated city in a state where state and local governments never have enough money. Yes, I did live in Peekskill for 30 years and during that time the taxes kept on increasing as the city continued to decline. A lot of my neighbors had already moved out, and the illegal invaders moved in.
Another quote from "EnoughIsEnough":
This is a problem throughout New York State's major cities. Who do you think should be held responsible for that?
Where will the City of Niagara Falls get the money from to pay for all these wonderful programs? Especially if people or businesses go belly up and default on their loans? Government is not the answer, Government is the problem.
Again, the issues with Niagara falls were more self inflicted, if you watched the video. There needs to be more investment that comes from private investors and the city needs to lobby for state investment that has been slated.
If you read the suggestions, it goes beyond just government, but the city needs some plans and vision, which can be done by using what it currently has.
Again, don't say that a person supports a government, when I already gave specific and tangible ideas in terms of changes and the type of investment. So, when you are ready, let the posters know and this isn't about Peekskill, but Niagara Falls, which is a totally different city. Your buddy from Peekskill, Pataki should have seen this, considering that he is a Republican. So, both major parties are guilty. So, again, what do you suggest for Niagara Falls? Not Peekskill, but Niagara Falls........
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If it will make you feel any better I can't stand Pataki, I've met him many times when he was mayor of Peekskill. His family had a so-called farm and vegetable stand in the neighborhood where I lived. He's a despicable swine who will do anything or say anything to get elected. Doesn't stand for anything except George Pataki. Same for his partner in crime Al D'Amato. Oh, and I can't forget "Fat Nick" Spano. I hold them responsible for the demise of the Republican Party in New York State. Sad. You have a one party state with absolute power and only token opposition. Again, don't expect anything to change. You in no way hold any of the governments responsible for the demise of your state or it's cities, I do. That will never change either. One of the main reason's I got out of that state. My love of the Southwest, Arizona in particular was another. Peekskill, Niagara Falls, Buffalo, Albany, Troy, Newburgh, Syracuse, Rochester, Binghampton, Poughkeepsie, Yonkers, Mt. Vernon etc. (I've seen them all), are all in the same boat just different locations. If the state were to bail out one, they've got to bail them all out. Problem is your living in the most heavily taxed and regulated state in the nation. Where's the money gonna' come from? Without placing additional burdens on those that are stuck living and doing business there. Good luck with Niagara Falls, you're sure gonna' need it. It's been an interesting conversation. I post here because this is a subject that I can personally relate to as have others who have bailed out and for the same reasons. No hard feelings? Nothing personnel. As for me I'm gonna' go out and enjoy another beautiful day in the sunny Southwest. New York State is just another bad dream.
Your comment about holding the governments of NY State doesn't make sense, given that I may be the only poster that has posted specific changes governments can make in the state and at various levels. There are degrees of development in many of those cities and I guess he Ithaca development thread is a mirage.
So, I guess no suggestions for Niagara Falls. Another idea I thought about was an Underground Railroad center similar to the one in Cincinnati that honors Nathaniel Dett and the Mossell family, which are African Americans that have ties to Niagara County. You could put it on the edge of Downtown and near highly Black neighborhoods in the city. You could possibly do the same next to the casino in regards to Native American culture as well.
Another thing could be to form a public/private conglomerate between Niagara University and Niagara County Community College, to come together to have STEM bases programs and an incubator in the same facility in Downtown. While some may not like the program, this facility could also be used to attract companies and start ups through StartUp NY. Perhaps get in touch with Cornell to put a satellite facility in the city for its Hospitality program, given the city's tourist roots and potential. Chemical extraction similar to what is being done for Onondaga Lake should be looked into for the Love Canal site and similar sites in the city. These things can be used to create a variety of jobs within the city.
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You can't convince me, and neither can I convince you. We'll just have to leave it at that. Whatever governments get involved in someone else has to pay for. Governments are not a business, they are a monopoly, they do not have to show a profit or accountability for it's failures. They have the power to tax unmercifully. When governments fail the people suffer. I've made my suggestion, you've got to elect new leaders, both on the state and local level. You just choose to ignore that. What you have there now is obviously not working. I commend you for being a "Cheerleader" for your state and it's cities. "Rah, Rah, Sis, Boom, Bah". It seems as though you're stuck there. Good luck with the Underground Railroad Center, I'm sure that it will do wonders for Niagara Falls. But as I've said I'm outta' there what happens in Niagara Falls or any part of New York State will have no effect on my life and if you don't mind me saying I "Thank God" for that. Note: I left off the "ckh". Cheers!
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I post here because this is a subject that I can personally relate to as have others who have bailed out and for the same reasons.
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You can't convince me, and neither can I convince you. We'll just have to leave it at that. Whatever governments get involved in someone else has to pay for. Governments are not a business, they are a monopoly, they do not have to show a profit or accountability for it's failures. They have the power to tax unmercifully. When governments fail the people suffer. I've made my suggestion, you've got to elect new leaders, both on the state and local level. You just choose to ignore that. What you have there now is obviously not working. I commend you for being a "Cheerleader" for your state and it's cities. "Rah, Rah, Sis, Boom, Bah". It seems as though you're stuck there. Good luck with the Underground Railroad Center, I'm sure that it will do wonders for Niagara Falls. But as I've said I'm outta' there what happens in Niagara Falls or any part of New York State will have no effect on my life and if you don't mind me saying I "Thank God" for that. Note: I left off the "ckh". Cheers!
Again, you don't offer anything new and you obviously didn't watch the video, as the revolving door of leadership has been a detriment to the city.
No one is being a cheerleader by asking someone to offer intelligent suggestions for the city and especially since I've been critical of the governmental structure throughout the state. So, you'll have to try again on both fronts.
Niagara Falls has a tourism sector that has been underutilized and in turn, things that can bring in tourists can be a piece of the puzzle for the city. As the video shows, the reason why the Ontario side has prospered is due to a conscious effort by the provincial government to invest in the tourism sector on that side of the Niagara River. It actually isn't completely grit/blight free, but the difference is obvious. So, you need a degree of public and private investment.
The decline of industrialization has as much, if not more to do with what you see in those neighborhoods, as those jobs were the reason came to those cities/neighborhoods in the first place. Just like any city though, Niagara Falls has some solid/nice areas like DeVeaux, LaSalle and Hyde Park. I guess there has even been some investment in Downtown in recent years as well, but just like many cities where manufacturing was a big chunk of the economy, there is plenty of work to do.
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