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Old 09-14-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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You mean Republicans?
IDC are not Republicans, they vote with Dems the vast majority of the time
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Good one... If only that were true...

Looking at the map, you can't help but laugh. He represents all of the mainly white areas of the Bronx. There aren't many of them but somehow he covers just about all of them! lol
They did a good job at what they were trying to do. The district was created specifically to maintain a Bronx Jewish presence in the state senate at a time when there were very few of them left in The Bronx after having had total control for decades.Sort of a last stand.

Now the district which is made up of 99% Bronx residents will be represented by someone who lives in Westchester County!

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Old 09-14-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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Yeah, why is this sad?
An ABW/SJW and democrat as DA. Both houses of state legislature controlled by democrats, *and* that crook Andrew Cuomo as governor; this is not going to end well I promise you that.


It will be an endless roll out of SJW, high tax and other "progressive" ideas across the state. Sort of like current NYC government let loose to run amok over a larger territory.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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IDC are not Republicans, they vote with Dems the vast majority of the time
I meant the people you referred to in your previous comment - the ones who thought the IDC senators brought "balance".
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:12 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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They did a good job at what they were trying to do. The district was created specifically to maintain a Bronx Jewish presence in the state senate at a time when there were very few of them left in The Bronx after having had total control for decades.Sort of a last stand.

Now the district which is made up of 99% Bronx residents will be represented by someone who lives in Westchester County!
Yeah, that should be quite interesting... Most of the areas Klein represented weren't Jewish though. The only Jewish area in the Bronx is Riverdale, which encompasses several subsections (Spuyten Duyvil and Fieldson have sizable Jewish populations - basically the Southern portion of Riverdale which the most dense part, but there are plenty in North Riverdale too these days and they are creeping into Yonkers from what I hear) so I guess it's big enough. Areas like City Island, Country Club and Woodlawn are pretty small, and Pelham Parkway still has some leftover Jews from back in the day. I think Kingsbridge and Kingsbridge Heights are just about devoid of them. They basically fled those areas and ran to Riverdale as they felt that they weren't upper class enough like Riverdale.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:12 PM
 
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I meant the people you referred to in your previous comment - the ones who thought the IDC senators brought "balance".
Not neceasarily, not all liberals are communists
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Yeah, that should be quite interesting... Most of the areas Klein represented weren't Jewish though. The only Jewish area in the Bronx is Riverdale, which encompasses several subsections (Spuyten Duyvil and Fieldson have sizable Jewish populations - basically the Southern portion of Riverdale which the most dense part, but there are plenty in North Riverdale too these days and they are creeping into Yonkers from what I hear) so I guess it's big enough. Areas like City Island, Country Club and Woodlawn are pretty small, and Pelham Parkway still has some leftover Jews from back in the day. I think Kingsbridge and Kingsbridge Heights are just about devoid of them. They basically fled those areas and ran to Riverdale as they felt that they weren't upper class enough like Riverdale.
Yes but the district was created just before the final exodus when Pelham Parkway and everything 5 blocks North of Pelham Parkway and 5 blocks South of Pelham Parkway and a lot of Pelham Bay were still very heavily Jewish. Pelham Parkway from one end to the other was actually more Jewish than Riverdale at one time.
Jews didn't really start leaving PP until the early 90's...long after they had abandoned most of the rest of The Bronx.

They didn't flee neighborhoods because the neighborhoods weren't upper class enough for them. They fled neighborhoods because black and brown people were moving in.

Biaggi is Italian and grew up in The bronx so she probably will be fine... unless some Latina decides to bump her. I think Klein will be the last Jew to represent The Bronx in the NY State Senate unless they gerrymander another district for someone else.

Mark Gjonaj must be ****ting his pants. He's next on the hit list after Crowley and Klein.

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Old 09-14-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Yes but the district was created just before the final exodus when Pelham Parkway and everything 5 blocks North of Pelham Parkway and 5 blocks South of Pelham Parkway and a lot of Pelham Bay were still very heavily Jewish. Pelham Parkway from one end to the other was actually more Jewish than Riverdale at one time.
Jews didn't really start leaving PP until the early 90's...long after they had abandoned most of the rest of The Bronx.

They didn't flee neighborhoods because the neighborhoods weren't upper class enough for them. They fled neighborhoods because black and brown people were moving in.

Biaggi is Italian and grew up in The bronx so she probably will be fine... unless some Latina decides to bump her. I think Klein will be the last Jew to represent The Bronx in the NY State Senate unless they gerrymander another district for someone else
Actually there's an article on it, so it's both:

In 1948, there were more Jews in the Bronx — 650,000 — than in the entire State of Israel. By 2003, just 45,000 were left in the entire borough, according to the most recent Jewish Community Study conducted in 2002 by UJA-Federation.

In keeping with the broader middle-class population at the time, Jews in Kingsbridge began moving primarily to Riverdale as well as outlying suburban areas in the 1970s and ‘80s as a way to claim their own turf on the outskirts of the city and escape the onslaught of low-rent occupants and slumlords in the south Bronx.

But experts said the division between Riverdale and Kingsbridge may have less to do with geography and more to do with the development of cultural stereotypes.

At Yeshiva University, Jeffrey S. Gurock, of Riverdale, is a professor of Jewish history. Grurock said the rapid movement of Jews up the hill from Kingsbridge into Riverdale during the late ‘60s, ‘70s and ‘80s eventually gave rise to an imaginary geographic boundary based on the shape of the hill itself.

“What pervaded was this sense that Riverdale was the land of liberal, open-minded, middle-class families, while Kingsbridge, despite being just a five minute walk down the hill, was a place where elderly Jews were slowly being encroached upon by various other minority populations,” Gurock said.

Gurock said that because Jews chose to stay in Riverdale for the coming decades they developed a “sense of turf” about the place, making it less likely they would relocate elsewhere.

“Kingsbridge never had the cachet of Riverdale, and it still doesn’t today. That imaginary border between the two neighborhoods has grown so strong over the years that it would now be almost impossible to undo,” Gurock said.

Kingsbridge neighborhood undergoes Jewish revival | The Bronx Ink
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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How could you not know the areas he represents when he is your State Senator?

The district is Riverdale,Van Cortlandt Village,Bedford Park,Woodlawn,Pelham Parkway,Morris Park,Pelham Gardens, City Island,Throg's Neck,Pelham Bay and Co Op City in The Bronx and Pelham, part of New Rochelle and Bronxville in Westchester County.
The winner, Biaggi, lives in Pelham.
Klein's getting so involved in The Throgg's Neck Houses controversy was an act of desperation because he realized he was in trouble with an Italian woman challenging him. Historically, the key to getting elected in the district has been appearing in synagogues.

Here is a map of the district which was originally gerrymandered to insure that it would be a Jewish ...(or at least white) Senate seat
The lines of the district should be the poster child for gerrymandering!

https://www.nysenate.gov/district/34
So is it identity politics that got Biaggi elected. I say this agaignst tbat charge after Ocasio Cortez won. Im in Castle Hill.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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Actually there's an article on it, so it's both:

In 1948, there were more Jews in the Bronx — 650,000 — than in the entire State of Israel. By 2003, just 45,000 were left in the entire borough, according to the most recent Jewish Community Study conducted in 2002 by UJA-Federation.

In keeping with the broader middle-class population at the time, Jews in Kingsbridge began moving primarily to Riverdale as well as outlying suburban areas in the 1970s and ‘80s as a way to claim their own turf on the outskirts of the city and escape the onslaught of low-rent occupants and slumlords in the south Bronx.

But experts said the division between Riverdale and Kingsbridge may have less to do with geography and more to do with the development of cultural stereotypes.

At Yeshiva University, Jeffrey S. Gurock, of Riverdale, is a professor of Jewish history. Grurock said the rapid movement of Jews up the hill from Kingsbridge into Riverdale during the late ‘60s, ‘70s and ‘80s eventually gave rise to an imaginary geographic boundary based on the shape of the hill itself.

“What pervaded was this sense that Riverdale was the land of liberal, open-minded, middle-class families, while Kingsbridge, despite being just a five minute walk down the hill, was a place where elderly Jews were slowly being encroached upon by various other minority populations,” Gurock said.

Gurock said that because Jews chose to stay in Riverdale for the coming decades they developed a “sense of turf” about the place, making it less likely they would relocate elsewhere.

“Kingsbridge never had the cachet of Riverdale, and it still doesn’t today. That imaginary border between the two neighborhoods has grown so strong over the years that it would now be almost impossible to undo,” Gurock said.

Kingsbridge neighborhood undergoes Jewish revival | The Bronx Ink
The one's from Pelham Parkway didn't go to Riverdale. They went to Scarsdale.
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